From Center Court to Clarity - Andrea Petkovic

00:00:00: I don't think a major title would have changed much for me.

00:00:11: I was so close, number nine in the world.

00:00:16: I played semis and those majors a lot of times but i never quite got over the finish line And that really stressed me out.

00:00:23: All fun part just went away and became pure pressure and running after something.

00:00:41: Andrea!

00:00:42: Hi Jan Wait do have to call you Jan now?

00:00:47: There's funny ad in Australia because Jan is woman's name So my wife will never let me order coffee because they won't give it to me.

00:00:56: Coffee order for Jan and I'm like, but you're a guy?

00:00:58: And well... It's complicated!

00:01:01: Well similar for me Andrea in Italy is a boy's name yeah.. When I started playing professional tennis, I played a lot of tournaments in Italy because it was easy to get there.

00:01:14: Trains were really cheap and you could just take a train for twelve euros go to Italy play at tournament but people would always be very confused back then when i said i'm Andrea so um...I feel your pain of being mistaken for other people.

00:01:29: Have feeling they are all confused until you start serving?

00:01:32: And the game started going on!

00:01:36: right there.

00:01:38: And wonder if for you, tennis was a pure passion thing at that stage?

00:01:45: Ooh!

00:01:45: That's good question to start away.

00:01:47: so first of all I will try and not take over the podcast because i have so many questions.

00:01:55: I will try, but please forgive me if don't.

00:02:03: So although it was at the point of being a teenager which for me is thirteen or fifteen years old and obviously not having fully developed adult brain yet But already thinking in terms where's my place?

00:02:19: Who do i want to impress?

00:02:21: What do i wanna prove to society family friends?

00:02:24: whatever?

00:02:25: It started switching up until then Let's say while I was a child, it was all about just wanting to play and running after yellow ball.

00:02:37: And the moment puberty hit you start asking yourself who are in this world?

00:02:42: That is when that passion kind of the purity of the passion sort slips into... ...a bigger question on what do want tell the world with your work.

00:02:53: How does it feel for you?

00:02:56: Didn't you just say, You're not going to do that?

00:02:58: I'm not great at playing Returns by the way.

00:03:02: No it's funny because i can really relate Because sports for me was...I wanted someone who is nobody.

00:03:09: Like an only child we emigrated South Africa in the early nineties and kind of had no friends Just getting into a new place And I always felt like Sports was my escape valve, like on one hand.

00:03:27: It's the thing if I were to personify sports.

00:03:31: it always gave me a hug and said hey you're okay let's go!

00:03:37: Always there for me whereas that quickly turned into a status game.

00:03:47: we all play through sport.

00:03:50: It's sad, right?

00:03:51: But I think it is normal.

00:03:53: on the other hand.

00:03:55: There are a few people who never really care... ...I was just going to say that they're fewer than a handful of people.

00:04:05: Maybe two friends in my life do not care what others think at all!

00:04:13: Everyone else kind-of does care and feels like older you get The less you care, which is a good thing.

00:04:21: I think with age

00:04:22: and You know them well enough to believe them because i'm like that would be the magic pill right?

00:04:28: Yes Well they are artists I will say.

00:04:31: And I think That for if you have A creative mind and If you just see the world differently you Will also Have maybe different values than most of As other people because in the end being an athlete.

00:04:44: Yes, it's a passion.

00:04:45: I think It's like to be portrayed as a passion But in the and if you think about it further?

00:04:50: It's the quickest way To fulfill the promise of capitalism Because at eighteen nineteen years old.

00:04:55: If you're really good You can already make a ton Of money.

00:04:58: so and for me there was i'm not from A wealthy family And that Was definitely part of it.

00:05:03: i would never say i played For the money but it was very obvious In my mind That if i continue on this path i could Make more money quicker than if I went down other paths and when to study, And then through a long education.

00:05:27: I'm literally working my ass off like every day.

00:05:37: Easily, right?

00:05:38: You just have to practice eight hours a day maybe faint in the training session and you're never going make money as easy

00:05:45: totally.

00:05:46: which brings me To your relationship with tennis.

00:05:49: Like how How did Your relationship With tennis kind of evolve over The year?

00:05:55: so you've said you know it started off Just chasing A yellow ball.

00:06:00: Then the status games come into it and later in life, I guess you've...I'm assuming probably shouldn't lead with that.

00:06:07: But for me at least, um yeah i became aware of the finite part.

00:06:13: Yeah

00:06:14: Where did that go?

00:06:15: For you?

00:06:16: Well, I would always say yeah, I think I wanted to say before You finished your question For me, my career as a tennis player and professional tennis player on the tour came in three phases.

00:06:28: But now that you mentioned the finite part of it I would even put four phases to it.

00:06:36: The first phase is your an up-and-comer.

00:06:38: You come onto everything new Everything so sparkly fun and exciting, the successes come quick because you're young.

00:06:48: You are not thinking about the pressures or earning money but your earning points And in a meeting people like Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal they were warming up next to you.

00:06:58: Novak Djokovic is your friend and you get just so overwhelmed in a good way by this new world that you're suddenly part of.

00:07:06: I think, it was really fun until I was maybe twenty-three or twenty four years old.

00:07:11: then for me came the second phase where i started to become aware of okay...I'm now apart from WTA tour.

00:07:19: people expect me do certain things.

00:07:22: they expect earn certain wins to do things that I haven't done yet, will i be able to do?

00:07:28: That's the second phase.

00:07:30: In differentiating myself from you in this moment... ...I never achieved my goals of being number one and winning major titles but they were not as big as the ones that antennas count the most which are the four Grand Slam tournaments Austrian Open US Open Wimbledon and French Open.

00:07:50: so that second face gave me a lot of stress because I... I was so close, number nine in the world.

00:07:57: I played semis and those majors a lot of times but i never quite got over the finish line And that really stressed me out.

00:08:05: All the fun part just went away and became pure pressure running after something That eventually for me would not come.

00:08:15: The end of second phase is kind of burnout.

00:08:17: I wouldn't want to say full burnout But it took three months break when I was twenty-eight or twenty-nine if I still wanted to play tennis.

00:08:25: So, it took a three month... Three and half months break didn't play at all, didn't work out much just like went for easy runs when to the gym whenever I want or two And then started phase III which was beautiful face playing for the sakes of it, because I loved sport.

00:08:44: It was almost a reminder how when i was still child...I had made my peace with never having won big title and knew that i have good career , making money..i had place in world but still beating top players and champions.

00:09:00: I want to say the most beautiful part of my career, apart from The First Face where everything was just new.

00:09:10: And that lasted four years or so before exactly what you said and for me it's the Phase Four Before i started realizing all this beauty that have now managed within myself together is about to end, you know?

00:09:25: Because like I worked so hard on myself rather than as a tennis player.

00:09:30: Worked so hard in my personality for twelve years To sort of rid myself off all this desire that i'm only worth something if I win That big title.

00:09:40: live now finally playing For the love Of The game for the competition forgetting better for improving.

00:09:46: and Now it's About to

00:09:48: End.

00:09:49: Come

00:09:49: On!

00:09:50: And for me...I don't Know how It was for You from Me years were really tough because I still loved playing when i finished.

00:09:58: So, training in the quantities that as a tennis player, you have to do.

00:10:07: To be able to hang with the best in the world and I could feel my quality of play slipping i could feel My body slipping but my mind still wanted to continue And I still love doing what?

00:10:20: Did so.

00:10:21: The retirement was really not easy But interestingly enough two years before retirement were not easy.

00:10:27: then when I retired Okay, on we go.

00:10:31: You know I think i had done a lot of grieving Of the retirement while I was still playing.

00:10:36: Was that the same for you or did you grieve your?

00:10:39: Your career after it was done.

00:10:42: It's really weird right?

00:10:43: like because you talk about and then And I won my first world title when I'm thirty four so Like if I was a super late bloomer one my first ever race at twenty seven and Then I had this magic time between kind of thirty six and thirty nine, uh where everything just went to plan.

00:11:01: then lockdown kind of got injured.

00:11:04: And then swore I'd get back there like one last time which was a long injury.

00:11:10: ridden phase were literally it's all willpower muscling through um and ironically i won my second-last race My last race, I sucked.

00:11:23: Oh really?

00:11:23: Interesting.

00:11:24: Like nowhere and all my friends were there And it was like literally the promenade in Nice where kind of everybody from near and far traveled... ...and i was totally cool with it.

00:11:35: It's the first time ever that I was happy just not fulfilling THAT expectation.

00:11:44: That is why I knew it was time to go and probably never grieve for it either.

00:11:49: In the same way I don't know, it's very different in terms of the sports and where you are.

00:11:56: But do you think phase two is necessary to get into phase three?

00:12:07: Do we need this constant suffering enjoyment so that we can realise what we're actually at?

00:12:14: Can it ever just be

00:12:14: good?!

00:12:17: I wish i could say no, because you know... ...I want to portray the picture for people who are maybe still at the beginning of something like that.

00:12:26: Maybe there is some seventeen-year old whose listens to this and still has everything ahead of them And I would like to say oh No!

00:12:32: You Know?

00:12:33: Maybe four my friends Who did win The Big Title and it become number one.

00:12:37: Maybe For Them It Was Different.

00:12:39: Unfortunately Knowing My Friends Having Spoken To Them I don't think a major title would have changed much for me.

00:12:45: Yes, it would've given me the one thing that always dreamed of and probably gave me tremendous amount of happiness in those moments.

00:12:52: but from every single person i talked to... ...I'm excluding The Goats here, I'm excluding the Federer, Nadalster Djokovic's and Serena Williams' because they had different mindsets I think for all of them.

00:13:06: after the big win, and maybe you can touch a little bit on that.

00:13:10: After The Big Win...the thing they always dreamed off actually came as sort of-I don't want to say depression That's too hard of a word but it is sort of emptiness A face of emptiness Of.

00:13:20: i've worked All my life For this!

00:13:22: I thought It will change me And change Me As a person.

00:13:25: But then This part never really Came because Just by winning something on the outside doesn't really change anything.

00:13:32: You have to do work for it, to seep into your identity and also be happy with yourself.

00:13:41: Doesn't necessarily need money in account or trophy on a shelf.

00:13:50: However, I will say for the Federer's and Nadal's and Djokovic as the goats they somehow always found their way to stay and remain hungry And that is exception of rule.

00:14:00: Everyone else i know in sports who have had big high usually has low after that even if it isn't outside but inside Fedoran Adal Djokovic, Serena Williams particularly.

00:14:13: They would win a big thing and they would wake up the next morning basically wanted to go back on the practice court To win The Next Thing And that is very unusual.

00:14:23: I think That's why it goes down in history as the greatest of all time.

00:14:28: That's an mindset...that is just..I hate say not normal but its not normal You know?

00:14:37: Yeah

00:14:38: Did you have that emptiness after winning big things?

00:14:41: Do you know who Scotty Scheffler is.

00:14:43: Yes, I do.

00:14:44: did You watch that interview with him?

00:14:46: After?

00:14:47: i don't know if it was...I think It Was Augusta but honestly I Don't Know.

00:14:52: I

00:14:53: haven't watched it But I Have Heard About it I Think Tell Everybody What it Is about.

00:14:58: So Basically he Talks About Dedicating His Life to the Purpose of Winning and fine-tuning and going out there and practicing, doing all the things.

00:15:08: And then getting there and being like why?

00:15:13: Why am I doing that?

00:15:14: This is great!

00:15:15: You spray champagne... ...and five minutes later it's like okay what's for dinner?

00:15:22: There was this expectation we put to outside events place that we think will make us whole.

00:15:34: Whereas exactly like you say, it's kind of... That journey and I find is so remarkable in tennis because.. ..I can't say this without any disrespect but even if you speak of the great Roger Federer.... ...I think he has won fifty four percent points in his life.

00:15:50: He literally wanted lost the same amount of points.

00:15:54: It was unimaginable In our space.

00:15:59: The question how do deal with that.

00:16:02: Like how do you kind of, because it's a double-edged sword for me in the sense that you need it in the split second?

00:16:08: That you lose the point or make the point whatever?

00:16:10: but also With the tournaments like you've won tournament perhaps not the greatest ones You had on your own bucket list.

00:16:17: But if one How did you go and celebrate?

00:16:20: well I didn't spray any champagne, but it was kind of similar where you're like.

00:16:25: Well am i about to have this drink?

00:16:28: But I do have to play again, because in tennis... ...I don't know how many of your followers follow tennis as well.

00:16:35: In tennis the season is very different from a lot other sports.

00:16:38: we start on January first and our season goes deep into November And basically you can play every week if you want it too.

00:16:46: There's certain kind of scheduling that you make at beginning year with coach peeks throughout the year that you play a little bit more and then you rest.

00:16:57: But generally speaking, if I wanted to play every week of every week in the year... ...I could do that from January first while into November.

00:17:07: And i remember winning my first big title but it was entered into next tournament so one on Sunday.. ..and I should have been supposed to play a match for Monday.

00:17:19: God bless him, he told me I think you should pull out of the tournament.

00:17:22: This is a big title and maybe not physically i was nineteen or so but emotionally you need to sort of reckon with what your going through.

00:17:34: also let's go have fun tonight.

00:17:36: why would we now travel three hours try to perform again tomorrow?

00:17:44: that definitely part.

00:17:46: I do think that... In a way, it's also a blessing in disguise that in tennis the next tournament is just around the corner all of time.

00:17:58: So you don't get caught up too much either at highs nor lows and if you do... You will be punished very quickly!

00:18:06: I did this at beginning stages where when lost i would wallow my pain for three days or hotel room service to feel sorry about myself but that lead nowhere.. I just lost three practice days for nothing

00:18:20: And so I don't interrupt you right here.

00:18:23: Like, do You think though at that stage?

00:18:25: That's exactly what you need.

00:18:27: like it has to hurt It's just a sign that you really care.

00:18:31: I guess so, but it is interesting because after I retired... ...I did some mentoring for some younger girls and the one thing i tried to tell them.... And thats' the ONE THING!

00:18:42: You can repeat yourself over again.. I could have taken a metal hammer and try to knock into their heads.

00:18:48: That´s THE ONE THINGS they do not hear right?

00:18:53: Girls, you're seventeen years old.

00:18:55: You lost the match yesterday.

00:18:57: when your retire if you are blessed enough to have a long career as I had i played sixteen years.

00:19:02: When you retire?

00:19:03: You will not remember who you played where you played and what you played on this particular day.

00:19:10: Don't take losses that badly.

00:19:12: write down What you want to improve And we'll go back On The practice court tomorrow.

00:19:16: but don't let them get To use so badly.

00:19:20: Not a single word heard, not a single words.

00:19:23: I can just see their eyes glaze over this emptiness on that face and then like...I'm talking but nothing is arriving in no one's home exactly.

00:19:33: And when i think back of myself to my younger self When I was seventeen eighteen?

00:19:38: I Think Jesus Christ himself could have come Back from heaven and told me Andrea This Is really nobody cares.

00:19:45: That would Have been Like jesus Go back to heaven.

00:19:49: I got this, you know?

00:19:51: Hang on here hold my beer!

00:19:53: Hold my beer.

00:19:53: Yeah exactly so in a way i don't think that's the one thing i always felt like.

00:19:59: i can't get through to them everything else they would really listen and try to.

00:20:04: You know Like a sponge.

00:20:05: This is the great thing with young talents.

00:20:07: They want to have all your knowledge All your experience And Everything just seeps into them.

00:20:13: That was The One Thing Where I could Just See Nothing on the other side.

00:20:17: Do you see a younger self in them?

00:20:19: Of course, of course.

00:20:20: And I also felt so stupid myself for trying because i know how it was when all the people told me things like that.

00:20:30: and in the end what you do is very similar to other athletes or professional athletes as these aliens who are completely different very similar to other people.

00:20:49: It's just compressed in terms of intensity and in terms length.

00:20:54: because the career is so much shorter, you have to go through all the phases that probably others also go through as well at a very compressed period of time And the intensity is also higher.

00:21:05: If you think about other people they will have hardships too But for them it can be losing on Tuesday To your biggest rival.

00:21:14: Then two days later You'll play again.

00:21:17: Hope with that loss within two days because you have to play again.

00:21:20: Two Days later, You know I think That's the beauty and The challenge of sports that everything goes so fast And that you are So young!

00:21:30: Usually people peak Which was probably very lucky for you.

00:21:33: Your first big title Was when your were thirty-four.

00:21:36: You're already a man, an adult Whereas in tennis A lot of players celebrate their biggest first success when they are still teenagers, when they're eighteen, nineteen twenty years old and the frontal lobe has not fully developed yet.

00:21:52: Like what are they going to do?

00:21:54: And you see that very often with.

00:21:56: there was just this example Amaradou Kano a few years back who won the US Open out of nowhere literally out of no where it is one of greatest sports stories ever.

00:22:05: she's only eighteen-years-old.

00:22:06: won the U.S.

00:22:07: Open English girl Very beautiful Very smart brands in the world through themselves at her.

00:22:14: And she kind of disappeared for three and a half years now, She's doing much better again.

00:22:18: I'm so glad that she is on that path of rebuilding.

00:22:22: but That's not an normal experience to have when you're an eighteen-nineteen year old?

00:22:26: And i'm glad For You were already A mature person could probably handle it Better At thirty four.

00:22:34: That Is To Be Debated.

00:22:37: Tell Me Why.

00:22:39: Yeah, I don't know.

00:22:39: like.

00:22:40: I was always super slow to pick up on things.

00:22:42: Like it really took me a while and yeah had all the highs And the lows that you speak of?

00:22:48: You know like after the Olympics like that proper letdown afterwards where just Went out and partied and I was probably an asshole too A lot of people and they're just like couldn't stick to my actual values like I hadn't really defined My values right.

00:23:03: this is something like this dream that was kind of handed to me by my grandparents, really.

00:23:10: And their love for the Olympic Games and it's just something I literally just... Was a cat chasing a mouse like blinkers on?

00:23:17: When he came off.. Yeah It probably more lucky that triathlon in that sense is not as much in the limelight Like you get to live things out on center court.

00:23:32: Everyone watching your whole private life, everybody wants to know a lot more about it.

00:23:39: Whereas that's very punctual or situational for us where we go through these events and everything unfolds.

00:23:49: but I don't think the public scrutiny is quite Yeah, again a big fan.

00:23:58: but look at Boris you know.

00:23:59: Look at Boris Becker and the public scrutiny like I wish that upon no one.

00:24:02: And he started winning when he was seventeen.

00:24:04: I don't understand exactly how from there You go on to be so resilient?

00:24:09: An and drive that kind of thing.

00:24:12: which brings me it's to the

00:24:13: question

00:24:15: Whether do actually wear or mask on court.

00:24:19: is petco Is Petco and Andrea as I'd like two different people for you?

00:24:24: Well, I definitely so.

00:24:26: i am the strong and firm believer that everyone That enters The stage of tennis quote-unquote.

00:24:33: And you just mentioned Boris.

00:24:35: I have a podcast with him and he often talks about how Tennis the tennis court was a stage for him?

00:24:41: He would go out there With a certain Performing persona on one hand and On the other hand he also demanded to be attention Of the audience To perform his best if that Was not There.

00:24:54: Best example in tennis is the U.S Open, Arthur Ashe Stadium.

00:24:57: at seven

00:24:58: p.m.,

00:24:58: twenty-four thousand people mostly New Yorkers who don't really watch tennis but they want to go you know... They wanna go to The US Open.

00:25:06: it's a cool thing to do!

00:25:07: They had couple of honey deuces which was cocktail.

00:25:09: that is overrated In my opinion absolutely overrated But I love.. People have it And so they're a little drunk.

00:25:17: They are there to catch up on their day, as well as watch A Little Bit of Tennis.

00:25:20: So there's a lot of chatter.

00:25:21: It is very noisy and Boris told me this fun story On our podcast a couple weeks ago where he said When I walked out in Arthur Ashe He won that tournament two or three times.

00:25:33: when i walked Out on Arthur Ashe would do something absolutely egregious In the first three-four games Of The Match.

00:25:40: just tell people I am here!

00:25:43: I expect you to watch me for the next three and a half hours while I play my heart out there.

00:25:49: And whether that was big emotional outburst or throwing off the record, or huge fight with the chair umpire... So he was actively playing in this role as well!

00:26:06: but I definitely also had a facade up when i walked upon court and, it's classic not showing any weaknesses trying to portray um...a facade of basically strength in confidence.

00:26:20: And even what im doing here is typically what you try to portray.

00:26:26: As I said, i was not as confident in what l was doing all the time.

00:26:30: So my facade often times slipped and emotional outbursts were real.

00:26:34: they weren't played or there to gather any attention.

00:26:37: They will oftentimes just mask slipping for a second but that is definitely thing.

00:26:43: And now work an expert on tv's and sometimes talk about it.

00:26:47: when sometimes My play by play ask me like oh how this person seems so serious And very many times I have to tell them you cannot Tell anything about a person's character by watching them on one of the biggest stages they are playing.

00:27:03: Yes, You can tell some things when The pressure is the highest.

00:27:07: The real core Of-of...the Person comes out.

00:27:10: But When They come Out On Court and They've Been Prepping For The Match for The Last Three Hours wearing a persona and you can't really gather anything from that.

00:27:21: And there are so many players, they're different than the locker room to how their on court.

00:27:26: I mean Rafael Nadal is best example.

00:27:29: he was most intense serious guy of the court you will ever see off-the-court always joking playing games Just a little boy having fun with his friends, and then he would walk out on court.

00:27:45: And you could see the other players hiding scared of Raphael Nadal!

00:27:51: So yeah I think that there is definitely a persona in tennis... ...and on stage at The Tennis Court.

00:27:58: Even for you?

00:27:59: You who have seen the highest of those who has been through it….

00:28:02: …I know its your own journey but as an expert now can you see some of the telltales?

00:28:09: And your younger players, you know like what for?

00:28:11: You?

00:28:12: is it something that new pick up on?

00:28:14: well It's so interesting and I'm not sure if everyone sees it because you know there are very perceptive people whether they're experts or Not.

00:28:22: but i have now.

00:28:23: I've worked in TV Now For three-and-a-half years So want to say maybe four and There Are some Players That I commentate On so much that by a slight race, I can tell whether they are nervous or not.

00:28:37: And actually this year, in the year of twenty-twenty five... ...I had it with Janik Sinner for some reason and i have to commentate on every single of his matches saw everything that he played and didn't play.

00:28:50: And in Wimbledon, I could predict when he was about to serve a double-fault or play which is very rarely for him to play badly by the way.

00:28:58: but when you had these little slippages that only last three four minutes from him... ...I was so attuned to him That i could almost predicted every time It is the repetition, right?

00:29:14: Seeing somebody so many times week in and week out every single day.

00:29:18: Every match that they play under the highest amount of pressure is you pick up on little details.

00:29:24: And as an opponent, it's much harder obviously because your contesting mostly with yourself and then with your opponent but a commentator where this entire job to watch the two players on court also its easier for somebody like me who commentates in tennis not soccer or basketball Exactly.

00:29:46: But where there are so many athletes competing at the same time, it's hard to be completely attuned to one of them.

00:29:52: with tennis two players you can quite tune into then when you really focus and When you try to read their facial expressions.

00:30:02: but they do most of them Do a very good job in keeping up a facade.

00:30:06: I mean every sports has its trickiness.

00:30:15: Well,

00:30:16: that's the tough part in triathlon.

00:30:17: You know?

00:30:18: I feel like also.

00:30:19: this is my hot take of today –my theory–I think holding up a façade is thing you can only do for certain periods of time.

00:30:27: so Triathlon already works really actively against the facade because it lasts for so long.

00:30:35: How hard there would be psychologically mentally and emotionally to keep-up I don't know, you ran a triathlon in one hour but for us like twenty-five hours to keep a facade up that's virtually impossible.

00:30:50: So i do think the length of a competition makes things very hard to keep it

00:30:56: up.".

00:31:03: It's the actual point, the focus bit.

00:31:05: But in between it is so relevant like reading the nuances or someone else all whilst you're also trying to sell your own ship.

00:31:15: Yeah, it's very... I mean there are players who have built an entire career on being able to do that.

00:31:20: We had one woman because she is still young but like twenty-two or twenty three her name was Emma Navarro and from the US.

00:31:29: as American player She has a great touch in terms of how tennis has developed with all these Tall players, very muscular.

00:31:42: Very athletic.

00:31:43: She is not that right?

00:31:45: But she has a talent That I've never seen in anybody else.

00:31:48: She watches and reads her opponents like the book The-she knows they are about to have emotional slippage before They know themselves.

00:31:56: And thats when she locks it doesn't miss.

00:31:59: And she exploited so many of these types Of matches Where she profited off Just overlaps focus from other person because there in that moment so present, she would be able to read it.

00:32:13: And I think this is the challenge.

00:32:15: you are not distracted by all of your own noise and what's going on inside yourself but you're just clear about what other people do at the other side.

00:32:57: Yeah, maybe direct your energy.

00:33:01: Like you've spoken how you're now a commentator and.

00:33:04: You have written, oh wonderful book by the way which I really truly enjoyed about your retirement.

00:33:11: can i ask why?

00:33:14: on spotify it's listed as an album like what is this that doesn't know them?

00:33:20: yeah six tracks That is so

00:33:26: strange.

00:33:26: Yeah,

00:33:27: it is kind of weird.

00:33:27: I was wondering if that's because if you go to If he then goto It therefore You get Andrea Petkovich radio Which comes up with all sorts Of other chapters that it builds together from different books which Is uh i guess its Kind of a AI related slip-up To you.

00:33:43: but the point Im actually trying Get too.

00:33:45: is There So much more to you than The athlete right?

00:33:51: You have A passion for reading writing for the arts, take us a little bit into that world and how you hold those two together in your mind.

00:34:06: That's good question!

00:34:07: I always wonder whether i was a tennis player first or writer-first but now the older i get honestly think i'm a writer first and tennis gave me an insight of people who just do tremendous things, who accomplishes things that we could never do.

00:34:28: Right?

00:34:28: Us normal people quote unquote.

00:34:30: as I said i was a very good tennis player but when you don't quite achieve the heights of your peers and colleagues or friends You see, there is a little bit of difference in attitude.

00:34:43: I know that my attitude was just tiny but different than Serena Williams' or Angie Kerber's Or.

00:34:49: they had this deep innate trust in themselves as tennis players and i always struggled with it.

00:34:55: I would doubt myself about my abilities so never quite got to their punctuality for longer periods.

00:35:08: innate trust within your capabilities.

00:35:12: I never had that, but it gave me this luxury of being able to watch them and seeing what they do different in how their minds work.

00:35:21: so i think now the writer in me, you know watching them and being so grateful for being able to be around those people.

00:35:31: And chat with my colleagues and friends get a glimpse into their minds because I never had that mind!

00:35:38: So i think... That's why tennis was so attractive to me as it was this one-on-one battle game of mentality.

00:35:51: So, yeah.

00:35:52: It was always so interesting to me and I think that's why it never lost its fascination for even at the very end And i would have continued to play if my body had continued But just put there with me personally but a bit on a broader scale.

00:36:08: That has been...I don't know how it is for men To be honest.

00:36:11: For women this has always been big discussion.

00:36:13: When woman have other interests Its often times discussed in the press as Why she not only focusing on one thing, and that was the case with me.

00:36:24: But I see people like Maria Sharapova who is a very smart businesswoman from when she won Wimbledon when she was seventeen years old...I talked to her agent.

00:36:33: then he told me When Maria turned fifteen She expected to be cc'd in every single email there ever written.

00:36:41: That is not normal for a fifteen-year old professional athlete who's going to win Wimbledon two years later, you know.

00:36:47: She was always very smart businesswoman and she still is now that she retired but has great businesses which are successful And um...she was criticized at the moment when she lost few matches early on it would be while she focused her furniture line and designing things with Nike.

00:37:04: The same goes for Serena Williams always had other interests.

00:37:08: So, you know it's complicated to keep up other interests while you are doing something that requires your full attention.

00:37:16: but I also think its possible and i professional athlete as finite.

00:37:28: And when it ends, there are hopefully still thirty-forty more years to fill.

00:37:32: and if you didn't have any interest... There is a big, big emptiness waiting for you!

00:37:36: I've seen that with colleagues or friends of mine where the ones who did have interests fell on quite a soft pillow in a soft mattress ...and others had to go through a tough time to find what actually makes them happy when they're not on court during their gym.

00:37:51: Yeah?

00:37:52: you know, finding that passion for something is always got to be connected.

00:37:55: To some kind of pain like it.

00:37:57: just I have this weird take and i guess i'm endurance athlete trying.

00:38:01: so really weird relationship totally no um i'll spare you all the platitudes of sports wisdom but The instant thing when i thought about it And When i think Of You

00:38:17: and

00:38:18: having This Interest and Having This Genuine talent as a writer and having this kind of alternative world, it also gives you an alternative.

00:38:29: And I look at myself for instance...and i knew that was my one ticket to change my stars!

00:38:36: It had to work out like there were nothing else..I tried university for three weeks....i hated every second.

00:38:50: Do one thing and do it properly.

00:38:53: And I sometimes wonder having all this, let's call it cognitive power that you do is something that actually gets in the way or gives you an option when others have to fight through whenever they have to kick their door and when others Have to pick themselves up?

00:39:14: That's a really interesting point.

00:39:15: i've never thought about it that way.

00:39:17: what i have been asked oftentimes Is whether being smart, whatever that means.

00:39:23: I'm putting quote which helps in a podcast always when you make gestures.

00:39:26: Quote Smart Unquote!

00:39:29: But some people look at the video as well.

00:39:31: so um i was often asked that Being smart does it help or hurt?

00:39:38: And there were many moments where that I was still playing.

00:39:59: If I lose this match, i will be really pissed about that one breakpoint opportunity.

00:40:05: That I should have gone down the line instead of cross-court!

00:40:08: That was a really pussy move from me... ...that's what I would think and say sometimes to myself on the bench.

00:40:14: So I'm pretty sure it doesn't help You know?

00:40:18: But you are bringing up is a different point than I've never thought about And Im glad I didn't while playing.

00:40:24: but I strongly believe in the subconscious and subliminal that people have a lot going on under the surface, sometimes they can access but many times they cannot.

00:40:36: And maybe I knew at the bottom of my heart if all this doesn't work out and still do something else then i will be happy doing it.

00:40:45: because...i love writing!

00:40:47: Because..i love reading!

00:40:50: You know?

00:40:50: I've got another big passion in life which is to always turn to.

00:40:55: So maybe you just made your knife less sharp in the moments when I maybe should have pushed over the finish line or should've pushed, um... Over certain limits.

00:41:06: that they are necessary to be pushed as a professional athlete.

00:41:11: I don't know.

00:41:12: obviously it's tough to say looking back at the past but i strongly believe in the possibility because i do think that the subconscious of all of us is very strong and we have difficulty.

00:41:23: I honestly believe you had the hot take about pain and suffering, my heart take is that the curse of humanity as we never really fully access our subconscious in.

00:41:33: there's always something else going on an we try to get through other layer but we are not sure how together.

00:41:40: yeah it uh... if they're so much complexity right?

00:41:45: this is what bothers me very often with like these kind of standard questions where people are always looking for that one thing.

00:41:52: They're looking for the one thing, what would you change in your career?

00:41:55: And I'm like if you changed one thing other than that you're tempting fate.

00:41:59: You're not really doing anything because it's just a world of possibilities That change all the time.

00:42:07: but listening to having this interest and then going through that In your mind whilst you're in it Do sometimes think You became a tennis player just to live the intensity of the emotions and To be able to express them.

00:42:26: And actually when you feel something it's different from being told It

00:42:31: Yeah,

00:42:32: which

00:42:32: is mine yeah That's a really good question because my friends oftentimes tell me that I have no Emotions Which as i always think?

00:42:40: I have so many emotions but its true Yes!

00:42:47: And other people would then say that know me better, or you just compartmentalize them.

00:42:51: Right?

00:42:52: That's what kind of learn also as an athlete because if you give in to the wrath of the moment You will lose the match.

00:42:59: So have sort be able control emotions.

00:43:02: To a certain extent I hadn't been in these extreme situations of a tennis player with all their pressure and all these people watching.

00:43:15: Maybe, it would have never tapped into those extreme emotions.

00:43:18: because as my friends say... ...I don't have emotions!

00:43:24: That's what they say.

00:43:28: But sometimes that is something to say about me in a lot of things, but I don't think so.

00:43:36: So i always cry at films and weddings and stuff...

00:43:40: Yeah it's probably also something you had to have as a player right?

00:43:43: is that kind of steel emotion?

00:43:46: And not showing it!

00:43:48: Another thing that brings up a lot emotions for athletes.

00:43:50: specifically You've touched on the fact like if your body would have held it up Is injury.

00:44:03: Your relationship to injury has changed.

00:44:05: I'm assuming it's changed over the time again, i shouldn't assume like if you think of your first ever injury and how You dealt with that mentally?

00:44:12: Of course physically this is called going mental petcovich going mental.

00:44:16: so please Stay on their part.

00:44:18: care about your taping routine.

00:44:20: Just just at this very moment Like At least for me a world collapsed.

00:44:29: How was absolutely?

00:44:30: Yeah, absolutely.

00:44:31: I had my first big injury when i was nineteen years old... ...I was at the Australian Open and I twisted my knee.

00:44:38: it hurt very much in that moment but after that.. ..it wasn't so bad!

00:44:42: So I thought oh I got lucky you know?

00:44:44: It just strained me with a weird twist then eventually turned out to be my ACL.

00:44:52: more or less one year.

00:44:54: And I was exactly, as you said... ...I was just so devastated and i'm so glad now that back then it wasn't... Social media is already existing but not as big.. ..and I feel like I could have gotten lost in the weeds of the internet.

00:45:11: But there!

00:45:12: I had to sit in my emotions You know?

00:45:15: Had to just sit here and suffer through this devastating blow-off.

00:45:18: and it was also my first major tournament that I had ever qualified for through my ranking.

00:45:24: So, in the main draw for the first time... ...I was playing a big player on a big stadium.

00:45:29: then my ACL tour or I tore my ACL.

00:45:32: And that first year just... I mean eventually you get used to anything but it was so devastating because also, You always compare yourself.

00:45:43: i don't know how this is in triathlon But in tennis ,you're always comparing yourself with your peers.

00:45:47: You are always comparing yourselves and your compatriots that you grew up With which is...in my case..I was born in eighty seven So all the girls who were born at eighty eight, eighty-seven, eighty nine.

00:46:00: I looked at all of them and nineteen is an age where the development goes really quickly.

00:46:05: So, i would see that make All these big steps in players That i had beaten a month ago were now In the semis and finals Of major tournaments winning big titles.

00:46:14: they Were into top ten And my ranking was just slowly slipping Slipping slipping until eventually i think i Was ranked three hundred ninety or something in The world when i return.

00:46:24: And it was just, I think what you learn also as-as you grow older is to deal with moments of impotence right?

00:46:32: Because in that moment i was just powerless and I could not deal with it mentally.

00:46:41: I don't know how to put it differently, but i couldn't deal with.

00:46:43: It was just in so much anxiety and pain this entire time.

00:46:48: And later when I grew up and matured... ...I learned a lot better to accept things that I could not control.

00:46:54: So after five or six years of really good run I don't remember.

00:47:01: Oh, it twisted my ankle!

00:47:02: Yeah...I had to have another surgery on my ankle and but i was much better prepared mentally for this.

00:47:09: It was still devastating in the moment.

00:47:11: But the devastation didn't last as long And also it was easier for me the path out in a way, you know?

00:47:18: I just kind of did it to-do list for every day and work through.

00:47:22: And i tried not look too much ahead into future... ...I tryed watch tennis very neutrally without putting too many emotions in.. It was easier to handle.

00:47:32: but that first at ninety and their first big injury is brutal!

00:47:38: Was your first big injure

00:47:39: again?!

00:47:44: Yeah, I had a stress fracture and then eventually...I have few bike crashes.

00:47:49: And basically almost came to an end with it's called the Morel Lavallier which when you know your name is in trouble.

00:47:58: You're

00:47:59: fucked!

00:47:59: Sorry about that.

00:48:01: No no totally.

00:48:05: Which was kind of counted as sepsis or broken ribs.

00:48:09: but again I always had these minor things, but what i found in phases of injury exactly like you say.

00:48:15: In the beginning your world comes crashing down.

00:48:18: um...I remember after leading into London Olympics.. ..i had a nerve injury that took about twelve months to actually diagnose.

00:48:27: so travel the world and try to find all this people.

00:48:29: then when you stand at someone's office and he is like sorry man!

00:48:36: You know, that's like one of those moments where you're like your heart just sinks and it was really you.

00:48:42: But numb to it.

00:48:45: eventually we exactly... I found out almost turns into a focus because you've really just focused in the locked-in And all these things were swearing around orbit.

00:48:56: but then suddenly there is only this thing which really matters.

00:48:59: Yeah!

00:49:00: That's interesting.

00:49:00: i never put it that way.

00:49:04: two days of feeling sorry for yourself and then you kind of go into the, yeah.

00:49:09: The competition mode but in a different way like okay I'm going to get my body And oftentimes i would reevaluate In these moments how I ate How I slept.

00:49:17: All this other things that helped me eventually in My career post injury because I was just getting healthier I wouldn't know myself better.

00:49:30: So And I do think this is really important because when I retired people sometimes said to me, oh but you had so many injuries.

00:49:37: You already have a test drive at retiring right now like Do you know how hard athletes work?

00:49:42: When they get injured They were arguably harder than when they are not injured Because there in freaking rehab for nine hours every day moving one single muscle A hundred million times per hour just So that it builds.

00:49:59: and I would much rather practice on the court four hours than be in the rehab center for nine, surrounded by other people who are injured telling you about their injury all day.

00:50:11: You know?

00:50:11: Like I can think of other things

00:50:14: but that was

00:50:15: one thing that annoyed me and I don't if others is like oh!

00:50:17: But we had a test drive at retirement right because your were injured so many times.

00:50:23: bro grow up

00:50:26: how annoying.

00:50:27: or armchair experts.

00:50:31: I mean, it's next to soccer like everybody knows how.

00:50:35: I

00:50:41: would just be so overwhelmed by the situation that i woul actually not and say, oh yeah you're right.

00:50:48: You should think about

00:50:49: this.".

00:50:50: People will straight up come to me saying,"You know what?

00:50:52: I saw something on your grip beforehand.

00:50:55: if u were able tjust change it by ten degrees then your forehand could have been much better".

00:51:01: Yeah exactly!

00:51:02: And im thinking too myself ,you don't think the coach for last five years has a good sum of money thought about every single thing.

00:51:13: that he could change or improve, oh whatever.

00:51:16: And then also I had a talk with Brett Gilbert last week.

00:51:21: it was and he's one of the best tennis coaches ever existed.

00:51:24: He coached Andre Agassi, he coached Coco Goff.

00:51:27: just recently She won big title at US Open by her side.

00:51:35: It was so interesting when he was coaching Coco because everyone thought they knew better.

00:51:40: but as a coach my task is not to see what I can do better, but my coach has a task.

00:51:47: Is how can i improve the player without destroying their confidence?

00:51:50: If I go up to say Coco or me and change her forehand grip And then she can't put the ball in the court anymore!

00:51:57: I have done nothing for herself even though maybe on paper this is The right thing To Do.

00:52:02: so as A Coach you're Not only Deciding What Would Be The Ideal Technique But What Is The Possible Technique At This Moment Of Time For twenty three year old for a twenty eight-year-old, or thirty years old.

00:52:14: It's always different and so that is why you should never go up to the coach and tell them what they do with their player if your are not part of sports.

00:52:23: it just my tip from me too!

00:52:26: To anyone unsolicited advice in general this isn't the best thing

00:52:29: at

00:52:30: all!

00:52:31: Just because its your hobby & passionate!

00:52:33: And it's funny Jan... allergic to that, then I am resistant of giving advice.

00:52:39: So sometimes i will get booked to give advise and I don't do it you know because im like oh I dont wanna tell them what to do!

00:52:47: And people would come up to me be like hey what can I do to and change on my surf?

00:52:52: And i'd be like, I don't know.

00:52:53: It's your decision you go ahead and try it

00:52:55: out.".

00:52:55: They're like...I booked here for this!

00:52:58: Oh yeah sure okay let's try maybe this.

00:53:01: but I'm really weird at giving advice because Yeah..i've gotten so many over the years

00:53:07: which is funny cause you mentor young athletes You mentor a young tennis player.

00:53:11: So again another one of those contradictions That we all have, by the way.

00:53:18: I wasn't trying to put that on you.

00:53:23: How do You go and then trust your team?

00:53:28: are you good at trusting?

00:53:29: The process trusting your team because you know when you're.

00:53:32: When the outside guy says change your forehand by ten degrees That's one thing but Your coach Says Change it By Three Which Is Already Very you Know Quite Aggressive.

00:53:43: Most Likely i'm Assuming Things Go off for a while Like where do you stand, I guess in your game but also with injuries and believing things will turn out?

00:53:54: Yeah.

00:53:55: That's a great question.

00:53:56: so i was not great at that!

00:54:04: was always, I made decisions very fact-based.

00:54:06: So i needed a lot of logical explanations of why we would change the forehand grip let's say or anything else and so oftentimes my coach would come up to me and have video footage or show me patterns that i would repeat and tell this luxury now as a writer and commentator to know what I didn't have compared to the greatest in the world.

00:54:35: And that was one big, big thing.

00:54:38: so i would always need To lose a few times before it's ready for change.

00:54:44: So im gonna try explain better Yannick Sinner, for example.

00:54:49: He's a great example.

00:54:51: he won the Wimbledon final and I went to his press conference afterwards And he won against Carlos Alcaraz in The Press Conference.

00:54:57: He sits there sitting down like yeah played A great match today but already i could see that There were few things that Carlos does better than me.

00:55:06: so wrote them Down!

00:55:08: So im going back and try To work on them.

00:55:10: so can beat him next time as well and never had That you know was not able to change while top of the game.

00:55:18: You know, when you're full of confidence and then changing is I don't want to say it's easy It's never easy but when your full of confident chances that works out are much higher.

00:55:27: But i would lose a few matches back-to-back be like oh this what im doing not working.

00:55:32: Therefore, I need to change.

00:55:35: And so then i would start do changes when l was low in confidence.

00:55:39: it took longer.

00:55:40: It took more convincing and had tried longer.

00:55:43: The one thing that wish could have changed about my attitude going back to the beginning of my career is that I wished on top winning titles that there would have been the moment where I started to incorporate new things into my game, because oftentimes did that when I started losing.

00:55:59: And i see it with the best they do at The Other Way Around... They incorporate new thing on top of the world!

00:56:05: Yeah..I feel like this is quite a while or quite bit of late.

00:56:09: It's difference between self-confidence and self belief.

00:56:13: Interesting Can you elaborate?

00:56:16: So You build the self confidence through the outside things that you achieve, right?

00:56:21: The little points that you make.

00:56:22: The games that you win I don't know...the social media That works!

00:56:29: The praise that you get Whereas the belief stems from actually following your path From looking at your game And figuring out where your genetic ceiling is and how close You can to it One step at a time, because those outside metrics don't really matter for you to get the very top of your game.

00:56:52: And that I found is just not as fleeting

00:56:55: and self-component?

00:56:56: I

00:56:56: don't know about you but especially... You've always put your work out for the world to see.

00:57:03: whether you're tennis player or commentator people experience this ball through.

00:57:06: you are right.

00:57:08: every Tom Dick & Harry has an opinion And I like, found that to be quite damaging for my process and something that had changed.

00:57:20: As I got older and old.

00:57:23: when you retire at forty-two... Like you said!

00:57:26: You've got time to figure this sort of stuff out but yeah..I'm just wondering whether it's something where in hindsight you would say okay maybe Yeah That is something i'd have built on.

00:57:41: You've built this resilience and you've build this kind of toughness, like again reading some of your sub-stack posts.

00:57:49: How do deal with the outside opinion?

00:57:52: And exactly somehow it doesn't influence that you have these public opinions way on you... ...and then at the same time I guess in game itself need to figure out their own ways.

00:58:04: Yeah but thats a very good point because i wrote This is really funny.

00:58:08: I think you, your spot on and I was processing it while you were explaining it?

00:58:14: And yeah no but i will give you an example why i think that you're a hundred percent right and also one reason why in tennis It was tough for me to get To the very heights of my potential just because My mind Was maybe not built as That Of An Athlete.

00:58:29: You Know It Was Way More Into Analyzing Than Actually You Know Streamlining It.

00:58:34: But As a writer, I wrote this big article about Novak Djokovic when there was a controversy around him with the vaccine stuff in Australia and i published it on the site.

00:58:44: and I basically tried to take both sides into consideration.

00:58:48: And this was at a moment in Germany where people who didn't take the vaccine were absolutely scrutinized, right?

00:58:54: So that was an absolute no-go.

00:58:56: if you refused to get the vaccine—you are basically outcasts social life in Germany —and Novak had tried to travel to Australia on an exemption, they didn't let him in because he was unvaccinated and had spoken very publicly about not being vaccinated.

00:59:13: And I was vaccinated.

00:59:14: but at the moment i tried to take into consideration both sides... ...and also try highlight as a personality why would make that decision?

00:59:25: having known since we were twelve years old when he was thirteen I thought, I knew why he made this decision.

00:59:33: He has always been so specific about his body even when we were fourteen years old!

00:59:39: We were fourteen in the early two thousands.

00:59:42: there was no vegan gluten-free green juices you know?

00:59:47: And he was already drinking, making his own food and making his smoothies.

00:59:51: Doing yoga... We were laughing at him because we're teenagers so wanted to have a good time but always like this.

00:59:57: So I tried to explain that and got the most hate mail i had ever gotten in my life!

01:00:03: Got three hundred letters of emails saying she's condemning Novak decision.

01:00:11: Just make your point now..I didn't care.

01:00:14: I didn't care one bit, and i do care when somebody writes me... When i write something.

01:00:19: Somebody writes to me that they don´t like it because A-B-C.

01:00:21: I often times scare And take the critique too hard.

01:00:24: Then try to reread my thing and see where have gone wrong.

01:00:27: But exactly what you said!

01:00:28: I so strongly believed in a piece I had edited for two weeks.

01:00:33: over again.

01:00:34: It was EXACTLY THE PIECE.

01:00:36: I wanted to write Every single word there chosen by me actively, and it was all that I wanted to say.

01:00:44: And not a single letter of these hate mails got to

01:00:48: me.".

01:00:49: That's what I want you write!

01:00:52: Sorry about this.

01:00:54: Maybe the difference in writing and tennis is why maybe i prefer writing?

01:00:59: You can go back and change things.

01:01:02: In tennis its hard if your competition is over or lost.

01:01:06: That's that was the most heart wrenching thing in tennis.

01:01:12: I would pack for two weeks of a tournament, come with to suitcases and then lose on Monday and travel back when ninety five percent off clean laundry my suitcase there really does you win?

01:01:27: Oh, Andrea, it's wonderful.

01:01:28: Honestly, I love how you found yourself believe through that.

01:01:31: Um, I have kind of an opening and closing tradition which we're going to bring together because somehow we got started chatting right away, but I would love to know what your definition of going mental is.

01:01:47: What does it mean when you hear going mental?

01:01:50: Going mental actually interestingly the title of the podcast, Going Mental.

01:01:57: For me going mental is like going to a club or concert and freaking out and pogoing through the crowd.

01:02:03: that's what I associate with it.

01:02:05: first That's my number one thought on instinct.

01:02:10: And strangely going mental i associated with something positive you know?

01:02:16: Like going to extremes Of your mental capability but in a positive way.

01:02:21: thats how would interpret It.

01:02:23: Love it absolutely love it.

01:02:25: When was the last time you went mental?

01:02:43: In summer, I had one period of time where i was working for eight weeks straight.

01:02:48: And the thing in tennis is Saturday and Sundays are not off because that's semi-finals and finals.

01:02:53: so when you work eight weeks... You really worked eight weeks!

01:02:56: There isn't a single day off but now we're working, working ,working.... ...and on the seventh and half week.. ..I went to New York with this huge flood outside and there were cockroaches in my apartment.

01:03:11: And you having lived in Australia, how disgusting and big cockroaches can be.

01:03:17: I saw it!

01:03:18: and it wasn't there anymore.

01:03:22: And I was looking for it, and couldn't find it... This is where I went mental!

01:03:28: I was a hundred percent sure then that nobody should ever do something like this on the internet….

01:03:33: …and I googled psychosis and found one symptom at the bottom of my list – That if you see insects your having a psychotic breakdown.

01:03:41: So i convinced myself that this cockroach didn't exist because I had worked eight weeks straight breakdown, and I was about to call in a hospital.

01:03:54: And they're like guys...I'm having a psychotic break down!

01:03:57: The funny thing is this is the athlete that me while i was going through that my mind said to me hey at least i know im having a psychiatric breakdown.

01:04:05: usually people don't know but i atleast now..and yes and when i went thru all of that the cockroach came back and killed it....i was glad i wasn´t having mental breakdown.

01:04:17: That's what happened last time.

01:04:20: Andrea Petkovich always got even when you go mental, your are still in control.

01:04:25: You know what?

01:04:26: What your symptoms are?

01:04:31: really enjoyed this conversation.

01:04:32: Thank you so much for taking the time sharing Your thoughts and experiences And I wish you all the very best and recommend to all of the listeners Go and find Andreas writing it honestly something unique.

01:04:46: last question Are you translating a book?

01:04:49: Uh, no not yet.

01:04:50: Maybe I should know i'm writing a new one but in German.

01:04:52: sorry about that.

01:04:54: yeah well the last one was in german too it.

01:04:56: uh.

01:04:57: sorry english listeners you're missing out.

01:04:59: maybe convince andrea send her three hundred males pleading for a translation rather than some hate mail.

01:05:05: thanks Andrea.