How an Olympic Mindset built HYROX & a Champion’s Mentality - Moritz Fürste

00:00:00: I was crowned best player of the tournament and five days later in a stupid rainy training match in Germany, I taught my ACL.

00:00:07: So... ...I had literally five days between the final of that game.. ..and start off with completely new chapter!

00:00:14: I suddenly got feedback from teammates about it's not fun to play or be on my team in a training game.

00:00:22: I didn't understand because i was screaming and yelling.

00:00:25: My intention is always make everyone better so how can they not see?

00:00:29: that I'm trying to make them better, so we can win games together.

00:00:33: In all honesty... ...I don't think i know many people who would have gone that route That way And mainly because.. ..i went all in!

00:00:43: I risked everything I got financially and was not only spent everything I had but also spend a lot more than at the time ever thought one person can have, I just borrowed money from banks.

00:00:58: From people friends.

00:01:00: anyone dreaming is that's what you do at night and then the goal of something your chasing when you're awake.

00:01:18: all right here we are Frodino going mental And it Is my absolute pleasure to Have a true legend Of sports but also True Legend as A Person.

00:01:29: i've Had The Pleasure of Really Getting To Meet Moe several times over the years, we haven't spent much time but they've always been kind of key times.

00:01:40: Namely the Beijing.

00:01:41: two thousand Olympics... Two thousand and eight olympics!

00:01:44: We were flatmates.

00:01:46: Mo went on to have a illustrious Olympic career.

00:01:52: He's got three Olympic medals, two of them are gold.

00:01:56: Several hockey player Of The Year awards.

00:02:01: he has won anything and everything.

00:02:03: there is to be one Mo, welcome to the show.

00:02:06: How are you?

00:02:07: Thank you so much!

00:02:08: Yeah it's still a little bit odd talking in English but I guess that is part of this show.

00:02:15: No i'm very happy to be here.

00:02:16: It always fun times talking with you.

00:02:17: So thankyou for having

00:02:18: me.

00:02:19: Yes its well and truly special.

00:02:23: The crowd would probably mainly be endurance nuts which they might even know more about than your career.

00:02:31: But maybe for those of us that are not as familiar with hockey, take a brief journey to your hockey career.

00:02:42: Basically it's been the sport my father and also uncle have done in their lives especially in Germany which is quite common route just following parents or family footsteps.

00:02:56: so I was basically pulled up next to the hockey pitch when I was born and then... ...I never left that part of the sports club ever since.

00:03:10: I started playing when i was five really, just had a lot fun enjoying hockey in first leg twelve, thirteen years.

00:03:18: I wasn't really chasing any kind of career apart from the fact that's also not really possible from a financial perspective in field hockey and hockey in Germany.

00:03:27: so i was really just enjoying it a lot.

00:03:29: um i was actually a better tennis player ,i'm talking about quite a lot at that time probably no chance for an actual career but i was decent .

00:03:39: So i decided to stick two team sports which is obviously conversation we had.

00:03:46: But that was at that point really the only reason to do it.

00:03:49: All my boys were playing hockey, and in the tennis court I was always alone.

00:03:52: so... That's where i went!

00:03:54: And yeah then It was quite unforeseen almost.. I'm talking about also on a book which is just jumping opportunities most of the time.

00:04:05: So I didn't plan to play in the Olympics or become an international hockey player Just jumped opportunity when it was given And then I performed at that moment, so i didn't have many auditions if you would say in other areas of the world.

00:04:22: Um...I just had one window opened and someone threw me into it!

00:04:28: That's how I made my step up once I started playing internationally for Germany.

00:04:33: I actually had first international tournament only on December twenty-five two thousand five years before the Olympics that we shared.

00:04:44: So yeah, it was after a quite long international career.

00:04:48: I almost played three hundred caps for Germany and I've played four seasons in India one in Spain when Australia And of course the German Bundesliga won Belgium at the end.

00:05:00: Yeah so lot of international experience A lot of games A lot hockey A lot fun.

00:05:04: But yes That's what hockey life is like.

00:05:08: Yeah, I mean it's fascinating right?

00:05:10: Like in your book though however you say like when you were six.

00:05:13: You used to write those little diaries that wanted to be a hockey pro.

00:05:19: is something that you think subconsciously just always lived within you?

00:05:24: Yes and no!

00:05:25: The part where there was always sitting on my head this crazy ambition that goes beyond hockey want to win.

00:05:39: So it's like, you know... And I think that kind of craziness about winning and performing was always in me.

00:05:50: That is why i wrote I Want To Be A Hockey National Player or something Like In The Diaries.

00:05:57: Back Then Because You Have The Aspiration I don't think it really subconsciously drove me throughout these years.

00:06:10: That was more the actual ambition, so i didn't play for becoming an international player but when i played i wanted to win.

00:06:17: and if you always want to win then that automatically kind of brings you at one point to the point where you have to ask yourself is this what is left or right?

00:06:28: And Then i always choose chose The Right Path towards performance.

00:06:33: yeah It's interesting because I read somewhere that you said, golds are better dreams.

00:06:44: And for me the equation was always like a goal is a dream plus a plan right?

00:06:49: It's something my dream was out there.

00:06:51: and to give you a little bit of background... My parents were anti-athletes if you remember their eight o'clock news in Germany.. Like my dad would go down and turn down the volume and turn it back up for the weather.

00:07:05: That's like, It just was not a thing right?

00:07:08: And For some reason or other I remember quite clearly The Ninety-Two Olympics...it Was on screen at my grandparents place Like basically two weeks worth of sports and everybody was watching it!

00:07:19: And that kind Of where i knew.

00:07:21: okay this is weird This is contradiction.

00:07:24: Right At home Everybody kind of despises Sports.

00:07:28: Hear these guys are like Celebrated National Heroes.

00:07:32: Maybe that's the way, I don't know to rebel against my parents.

00:07:34: Not that it was a particularly rebellious kids but i really found this kind of um quote so interesting That goals are better.

00:07:44: dreams like take us into that little bit.

00:07:48: Yeah!

00:07:48: I think its more like dreaming is what you do at night and then The goal something your chasing when you're awake?

00:07:55: I can't relate too much To the term of Dreaming as Something that want achieve.

00:08:01: So I'm just trying probably by saying that, iIm just trying to make it more tangible.

00:08:06: if people are talking about things they want achieve.

00:08:09: You should rather talk about goals because then how can you get there?

00:08:13: If you're just talking about a dream ,that's fiction.

00:08:16: so your not thinking of getting there but actually setting yourself goal and think on how do we get there ?

00:08:22: That is why golds better than dreams or the better dreams when it comes to achieving something .

00:08:30: And many.

00:08:31: And then we're talking about subconscious again, because I think that's the subconsciously.

00:08:35: That is a major difference.

00:08:37: if you are just saying something or actually believing you might achieve it?

00:08:42: Yeah!

00:08:42: I mean one hundred percent.

00:08:43: but for all of us The Olympic dream starts off... It IS a dream

00:08:50: right?!

00:08:50: Because realistically If you look at chances There way out there to have this thing and your level of success repeatedly is kind of like, you know that one chance every four years.

00:09:06: You have to have some perspective with dreaming right?

00:09:09: Because I mean... To set a goal yes but people always tell you be realistic within your goals and to be ambitious Yes!

00:09:17: But somewhere outside comfort zone That's pretty much shooting for the stars in some sense.

00:09:25: Yeah no i would agree.

00:09:29: everything kind of might start eventually at one point with dreaming.

00:09:34: So I might agree there because it's more like a transition, from when does something become tangible?

00:09:42: The thing that is very difficult is defining what the dream becomes goal and that why i'm more towards saying start creating goals Because otherwise you might lose the point at which You should have chased your.

00:09:59: now, you would say in that logic dream where I Would say that the goal that he was setting yourself for yourself.

00:10:04: So of course if you are a kid Everybody every kid wants to fly through the moon and become an I don't know astronaut right?

00:10:09: That's what kids usually say What they want to be.

00:10:12: It's

00:10:13: that or a

00:10:15: fireman And then and then at one point i think They realized something might be achievable, and then that dream turns into a goal.

00:10:24: All I'm basically trying to say is that goals are the better dreams because The moment you call it a goal You're chasing yourself or you're trying to achieve it And that's what i'm trying to stay there?

00:10:38: Yeah No...I mean..i totally get it!

00:10:40: And actually agree It just came to me Because yeah....I always had this thing.

00:10:44: That was out of my reality.

00:10:47: But let's go back What you were saying earlier, so two thousand and five at that stage.

00:10:53: You're twenty one.

00:10:55: You won your first World Cup right?

00:10:57: And when yeah.

00:10:58: Twenty six and you said you didn't even know what it meant.

00:11:07: When did achievements start meaning something something different to you Something more?

00:11:14: I guess That's really probably almost in the retrospective post-Korea, I would say.

00:11:24: And it's a little bit difficult now to recall exactly of course what i was thinking back then.

00:11:30: but just remember that the way professional sports is structured you basically don't have time really think about whatever you've done ever!

00:11:43: Just as an example We won the European Championships a few years later in Germany as well.

00:11:53: I was crowned Best Player of The Tournament and five days later, In a stupid rainy training match in Germany... ...I taught my ACL.

00:12:01: So i had literally five days between the final of that game And start off with completely new chapter.

00:12:09: Both physically and mentally There wasn't time to think about title mean for me.

00:12:15: It was always, and I think probably you can relate it's on its almost like your training for that one goal.

00:12:20: And then there is in some of this the world championships to Europeans or the Olympics or whatever?

00:12:24: And as The next season starts and the next preparation than the next training camp at so-and-so forth So it's almost like.

00:12:31: Of course they means something off course.

00:12:33: the titles are important But i mean if it would be only for the titles Then i could have stopped them twenty ten because They were all their.

00:12:42: So it's really about, what do you want?

00:12:45: What are you

00:12:45: chasing?".

00:12:45: And I only started thinking the significance of those titles.

00:12:53: Especially the Olympic titles post-Korea.

00:12:56: to be honest!

00:12:59: You're happy and celebrating.

00:13:00: that is not a point but... ...the actual significant meaning of it never realized during my career.

00:13:06: I

00:13:07: can so relate, right?

00:13:08: Because this is also part of the reason why i'm actually going out and having these reflections to just have time.

00:13:17: To sit back with time a distance.

00:13:19: there's much more clarity hindsight.

00:13:21: it obviously one those things where you're kind looking at but find really fascinating that they are so much more.

00:13:31: let first go into.

00:13:33: your career sounds like everything always went in a straight line perfectly, you know from bottom left to top right because that's kind of Something that you managed to get right on the point.

00:13:47: But if you dig a little deeper I mean apart from The Olympics You've lost every single final In world hockey like Every single one and most people would quit Right there.

00:14:03: And then what fascinates me?

00:14:05: There is What do you think?

00:14:06: losing taught you that winning never could?

00:14:10: I guess everything.

00:14:14: It starts with the fact, first of all it's about appreciation for the process right.

00:14:20: so if you lose every final then means you made into every final multiple times.

00:14:27: So we had probably and again were talking team sports.

00:14:33: I was fortunate and lucky enough to be part of probably the one of the greatest decades in team sports history.

00:14:40: And i'm talking all teamsports globally, um...I don't think that there are many comparable teams That ruled the world literally over such a long period Of time which it started before me.

00:14:54: It started in two thousand Two with World Championship title Um..and then European Title in three a little dip, no fall with only the bronze medal.

00:15:06: And then when I started in five or six we basically kept ruling and winning every tournament until twenty thirteen.

00:15:13: so it's almost like a little bit more than a decade.

00:15:15: i was fortunate enough to be part of that team for almost nine years... That is first of all the appreciation.

00:15:24: Then you ask what is losing teaching us?

00:15:27: The problem with winning?

00:15:31: unlikely to be disruptive with what you're doing.

00:15:36: Most people are not starting to question anything.

00:15:41: when they win and when they lose, they question everything And both is wrong.

00:15:46: So the funny thing is that between winning and losing especially in your sports it's second sometimes Unlikely an Ironman event but its happening right?

00:16:00: In my sport it might be like a shootout or you know, like a penalty shoot out at the end because its a tie.

00:16:08: Which is absolutely mental.

00:16:10: if you think about... ...the point that when you win.. ..you're celebrating and not thinking anything.

00:16:16: When you lose this one You are thinking of everything wrong in game That could have changed the outcome Although your just talking about one stupid penalty which isn't making any difference.

00:16:28: And so I guess that the reality is, but that's what happening.

00:16:30: So whenever we lost you start thinking about like What could have done better in order to win That particular match?

00:16:42: We were quite good at it and i give an example why.

00:16:46: Why am confident to say this?

00:16:47: Because In my entire career... ...we never lost To the same team in a tournament twice.

00:16:54: My entire career Never We lost alot In group stage matches, I think we lost against the Netherlands three times in big tournaments.

00:17:03: And all of them were in a KO phase.

00:17:07: and so it's really about how are you looking at games?

00:17:11: How do you watch game videos?

00:17:13: or what are they taking out from that and trying to get better?

00:17:16: but now the flip side is important because i said its both wrong Because thats clear.

00:17:21: everybody does that But when your on pop To do same thing and to start disrupting, thinking about what could have we done better as well?

00:17:33: Only a few teams' athletes do that.

00:17:37: We were almost better in that than the obvious part of finding mistakes when losing.

00:17:44: There are some fascinating stats around all sorts of sports.

00:17:50: Roger Federer only won fifty-four percent of his points Michael Jordan losing three hundred games and, you know things keep going on.

00:18:02: What I find interesting obviously from my perspective sitting after a race with the win lose or draw well there was never a draw but i would sit there with my best buddy maybe my wife And we'd kind of be like yeah this went well This didn't go.

00:18:22: well You have a coach But take me into the team like I mean to get together Emotions.

00:18:30: you have characters that come together.

00:18:32: You know each other, you know which strengths and weaknesses?

00:18:36: I'm sure you all react.

00:18:37: some people might be objective Some people are more emotional.

00:18:40: Take me a little bit into that at the dynamic.

00:18:42: how you know How Nigel no friends and then look kind of you know Like a one-man show can imagine being part of a team like that.

00:18:51: Yeah, you know it's... I mean that also for me is so fascinating because we talked about this a few years ago.

00:18:58: I talked a lot with Martin Kajmae about the golfer Because obviously i'm very interested in this perspective from individual athletes as well.

00:19:08: and You know?

00:19:10: I grew up with this For me was always clear In my sport or in team sports in general but at my sport when Nine years old for the first time someone would tell me that I suck when i miss an antinet.

00:19:23: You know and at the same time, For The First Time fifteen friends were jumping on Me When i scored a decisive goal.

00:19:31: so That's the almost maniac ups And downs of team sports where you get your positive and negative feedback just straight in Your face which is sometimes i mean In individual sports.

00:19:42: you'd also Get feedback to certain extent Of course but i think The range is a lot higher in these exact moments that I just explained, right?

00:19:51: And so the same thing counts for like winning international titles or being very successful and Indian in the national team.

00:20:00: There's one difference with group as usually put together by individuals.

00:20:04: So that's the individual class within the team.

00:20:07: Or sometimes we even said that We are kind of individual athletes That need to come together to perform a team In a team.

00:20:15: because you're Talking about in the national team, I think at one point we had twelve captains on the team.

00:20:23: Everybody was a team captain and their home Bundesliga team.

00:20:28: And so now all twelve captents from the German Bundesliga came together to play in the National Team.

00:20:34: So

00:20:35: it is obviously...and then you have a hierarchy there as well but suddenly someone who a prince of the town in whatever city and Germany suddenly needs to step down.

00:20:47: And there's only, you know like third-fourth year here at The Hierarchy international team.

00:20:54: but this is different topic because that's team building how your structure.

00:20:57: teams build it.

00:20:57: How are they storming norming phase out?

00:20:59: To get into actually performing part of teams?

00:21:02: But through that particular point It's crazy.

00:21:06: You have videos.

00:21:08: I mean best one at Beijing.

00:21:11: The moment the umpire blows to the last whistle, it's so funny.

00:21:16: sometimes we watch this even in a group and then there is like an eight second clip because It's over!

00:21:22: And everybody from the bench storms on the pitch everyone on their pitch.

00:21:25: nobody knows where.

00:21:27: Some people, some guys are running towards one another then realizing it's not my best mate.

00:21:31: So turning around trying to find someone else jumping something else jumps on the arm.

00:21:36: It is absolutely ridiculous like a really stupid kids play that you see whatever.

00:21:43: nobody knows how to behave but do together.

00:21:45: and thats major difference.

00:21:48: You're there And write five minutes after game The changing rooms and there are eighteen guys sitting next to you that just experience the exact same thing.

00:22:00: Exactly what you did, and this is I think what narrows it down too especially talking to you or answering your question?

00:22:10: The major difference is everything that i experienced in a national team has always shared with seventeen people who have experienced with no difference.

00:22:20: I mean individually better passes, worse passes someone scored a goal or not but the overall outcome of the game i shared with seventeen other guys every single time i stepped on the pitch win-or-lose and i think that is obviously an incredible difference to...to the experience you were just sharing.

00:22:37: yeah hundred percent if you say that seventeen others like..you don't even count people And the village that gets you there, right?

00:22:46: The physios.

00:22:47: The coaches all the technical stuff All this kind of thing which to me is my team.

00:22:52: Yeah like they're.

00:22:53: yeah They are people but I am...

00:22:58: To be fair i should count them because i should Count them.

00:23:05: That's not what i mean.

00:23:06: in a sense your team is who was actively in the moment with you, Who has to pull through and if one of them doesn't perform it goes one way.

00:23:17: And If One Of Them overperforms but It's like playing a concert I guess where everybody Has To Come Together at The Right Time.

00:23:25: Such A Fine Art!

00:23:27: And To Get That Right Over A Decade Managing Life Changing Circumstances Where People Go You Coined The Term Just in time performance.

00:23:41: How on earth do you get that right over a decade with so many individuals?

00:23:48: That come together to form the unit?

00:23:52: Yeah, that's the... To me is key question for internet or world-class success and sport.

00:24:02: In whatever sport There are training heroes And there are performance heroes in actual competition And

00:24:10: we all know a Tuesday will champion.

00:24:14: No, one hundred percent many actually and there is no.

00:24:19: if that would be a formula then it would be easy to achieve but There are so many things coming together in.

00:24:26: of course everything up here In your head plays probably I don't want say percentages But pretty damn high percentage because I was never ever even close to being the best individual hockey player in the world.

00:25:07: makes you that all comes together from physical performance level to tactical IQ understanding the game playing almost like a second in the future when you have the ball for seeing what's coming.

00:25:20: my game was.

00:25:22: receiving the ball, passing the ball being quite smart with the ball to not lose it even under very precious circumstances.

00:25:28: With two or three opponents against me but I would never try to out dribble them with a super where everybody screams like oh my god!

00:25:34: i would be just very smart putting on foot of someone which in hockey is then free hit for me and play a smart pass up front so that we have an overload.

00:25:43: um...I think understood this game well And was able use my capabilities together with my physical level.

00:25:51: That was usually quite good to bring that all together, too performing on a level that not many others could perform.

00:26:00: but it's really not so much about like what how strong are you?

00:26:06: How fast and you have... It's like okay-how Are You able To control your abilities And how can you Bring that All Together in getting the best result out of that?

00:26:14: and thats all here.

00:26:15: In The end if you don't and again Will come into goals and dreams and whatnot If you don't believe in your abilities, if not the capabilities and what are able to do... You're lost.

00:26:27: And I'm only talking on that level about this one percent difference it makes when I believe my strength doesn't with at least as good a hockey as I am.

00:26:38: On those days there was only about that.

00:26:41: That's why i said we had out of these sixteen or eighteen guys We had at least twelve that would have told you they could be world hockey player.

00:26:54: They're the best in the world, we've got twelve guys who legitimately said this about themselves and therefore In every single second they believed it was possible to turn around the game And us being three-one down two-nil with a second to go It doesn't matter.

00:27:11: Everybody on pitch thought I can change the game And if you have that mindset combined, That's how we can be successful in team sports.

00:27:19: Yeah again I mean it is yeah watching live and first hand my wife being Australian sitting at London in the semi-finals

00:27:29: The best talking game i ever played.

00:27:33: It was mastery to witness that.

00:27:36: really quite something which brings me Probably to the fifteen months leading into those games.

00:27:44: You describe them as the hardest fifteen months of your life or there's a post in a pre and a post Maybe take the listeners into that How you got there?

00:27:53: And how what it took for you To get to a semi-final In The Olympics.

00:28:01: two one down.

00:28:03: Yeah, yeah That was definitely the hardest time on many and many levels.

00:28:08: so first of all I just mentioned, i told my ACL five days after the European Championships.

00:28:14: that was on the seventh of September.

00:28:17: No in the eleventh of september in two thousand eleven we're talking eleven months before the olympics more or less.

00:28:26: and uh...I went to.

00:28:28: the doctor actually kept playing this game.

00:28:34: So I got like a hit, a tackle and then it hurt.

00:28:38: And I kept playing.

00:28:40: Torn ACL everyone?

00:28:41: Tough enough!

00:28:42: Have a spoonful of cement?

00:28:45: No but... It was just bigger and bigger and bigger.

00:28:53: so my physio actually said you might have to go to the doctor And I said, okay whatever.

00:29:01: We're not talking professional football through team docs next to the pitch during training.

00:29:07: we are talking me driving into hospital trying an appointment for MRT at a body that i had.

00:29:17: so yeah i was going there and ok result torn ACL although it's like if you don't look in it can fully say how much really what is happening?

00:29:28: Opening up the knee.

00:29:29: so and I was talking to the team dogs into everyone And they said did no chance you can't do a surgery You won't make it to the Olympics.

00:29:37: if you want to make it two Olympics.

00:29:38: You only have that one opportunity which is No, surgery and trying to get fit from tomorrow on um To strengthen your knee in order to be able to play.

00:29:50: So that was one pause here for second.

00:29:53: The second thing is i was also personally in a very rough state as for like the first time.

00:30:02: In ten years, my girlfriend now wife which is the spoiler of this story we broke up and had... We were not together anymore Which was mentally quite tough on me at that time because when I met her we got together when she was sixteen And now i'm twenty-six and then split it up.

00:30:25: It's really tough.

00:30:27: that played a major role at the time on various levels.

00:30:32: It made me, for the first time ever really reflect on my personality and on me in regards to apparently there is a misconception about how I think i'm appearing to people... ...and how PEOPLE think i am appearing to them!

00:30:52: There was many levels so under personal private sector but also in the team.

00:30:57: I realized that... ...I was very, very pushy and a harsh emotional leader Also on my club-team And suddenly got feedback from teammates That it's not fun to play with me or be part of my training game And i didn't understand because i was screaming and yelling.

00:31:19: But my intention is always make everyone better.

00:31:22: How can they not see?

00:31:23: that I'm trying to make them better so we can win games together.

00:31:28: But they didn't care, some because they don't have the same narrative as i had in regards to sports... They just did not have a last bit.

00:31:39: you need get there and others were pissed off saying no!

00:31:43: There's another way of getting better Let's not use yours.

00:31:47: But nobody, as usual in feedback hierarchies the higher you are on top and less feedback that you get.

00:31:53: And if you don't have coaches who understand dynamic well enough then it is very difficult.

00:31:58: It would never happen If I wouldn't have had a personal situation That i started really reflecting on myself and asking myself A little bit like what you were saying before I was suddenly the Nigel No Friends team after a training session, and I asked myself why.

00:32:17: And i didn't realize that before.

00:32:19: it's a little bit exaggerated but... So these are the two storylines that were happening at exactly the same time.

00:32:28: so The personal breakup then the breakdown of my body for the first time After never caring about my body at all.

00:32:37: It was just Literally, and I'm very convinced of that.

00:32:41: And more atheist in my religious thinking but... ...I really believe the body just took his break at a time.

00:32:54: It was no-bro, we can't do this anymore for another ten years.

00:33:00: So coming back to the pause i started training my butt off.

00:33:04: the next day I did the, by far hardest for you.

00:33:07: It would be a Tuesday morning easy chill out year but For me it was like the hardest The hardest here in training wise of my life.

00:33:17: i went to the um To the olympic Training Facilities here at Hamburg.

00:33:22: uh...I did My four or five hours Of physical training every day Horsed my university and studies.

00:33:28: At that time I literally went to physio and training in the morning.

00:33:32: Then actually, i started playing golf at lunch because i was so bored And i was alone.

00:33:36: So every day i drove to the golf course and started hitting balls Because i couldn't hit any other boards and i need both boards In my life!

00:33:43: So...i started playing Golf At that time..I always spent like lunchtime on The golf course.

00:33:49: then i went back To the training facilities Did another two or three hours and then i Went home.

00:33:55: I counted at one point, but don't remember.

00:33:58: It was like a hundred and forty-four days or so.

00:34:00: that's what i did for a hundred fourty-four day.

00:34:03: And um after a hundred forty four days i had my physical tests with the national team where they were trying to test money and by far there is the strongest and fittest player on the team.

00:34:17: So yeah... That is the stupid story!

00:34:22: ...I do not know why But never thought about it before that.

00:34:26: there's another level to make me better, which is these two things.

00:34:29: At hockey I was there but mentally and physically apparently i needed it because when i voted best player in the world all happened after that olympic year.

00:34:44: We also won the Champions League with my club that year and it was a very, almost like humbling year.

00:34:51: But at the same time... Again talking about these two different things this is very humbling in first half of the year And then there's amazing success on second half which came out of that humbleness That obviously I had to go through

00:35:04: It kind of growing through adversity right?

00:35:06: You know you're going through tough situation growth pain.

00:35:10: that for me was a driver throughout my career, like realising if I embrace the pain or discomfort.

00:35:18: Not necessarily talking about physical pain only but you embrace the discomfort and can really grow from it.

00:35:25: Did you ever see professional help?

00:35:28: Did you get a sports psychologist in there time of any other?

00:35:34: Yeah, we were one of the first teams.

00:35:36: I think even also in two thousand six already.

00:35:39: We had always a team psychologist with us and the national team And also in my club team in Hamburg and i was A big fan Of the team sessions that we had.

00:35:49: okay?

00:35:50: I Was never really Adaptive to The individual sessions.

00:35:55: That didn't strike me so much.

00:35:57: it was Always like...I just Didn't find a real connection there.

00:36:03: But I was a big, big fan and supporter of the team sessions.

00:36:06: And i think they were one of the main reasons why all our team dynamics worked so well because we had someone external to look at it.

00:36:13: Yeah that's interesting again.

00:36:16: obviously like as an individual athlete you come in and have to deal with your stuff.

00:36:20: All my failures are in the past but here For your dynamic to work, you have a completely different set of requirements which is all that really matters.

00:36:38: And it makes me wonder like... You went from being the youngest player in two thousand five on a World Cup team To captaining your country and national team.

00:36:49: Where along that line did you stop following?

00:36:54: Was there something that just changed inside of you?

00:36:57: It's a good question.

00:36:58: I have never really thought about it, but... ...I would say the transition is not such cut as the question.

00:37:07: maybe...

00:37:07: Of course!

00:37:09: Yeah, more like the transition because in my club team i was the captain very early probably even already in two thousand six seven and became the captain on my home team In Hamburg and I've been captaining that team for the rest of my career.

00:37:25: And then in a national team, I think i was also very early leader on different level because This is at least this external feedback.

00:37:35: obviously That's not what I say did never see that actually Obviously but people kept telling me that I had this kind of almost like emotional and emotionally visible style of leading that people just, when they saw me there to smile because I could see that.

00:37:53: So much fun doing what I do and then moved others around me you know?

00:37:58: And so i guess...I have been doing that always!

00:38:01: There's a video where my team laughed about me and didn't understand why but.. I scored the goal in the two thousand six world cup.

00:38:08: Australia was three one up.

00:38:10: ..and I scored with three-two.

00:38:11: ...i blocked it into the empty net.

00:38:13: It was great pass , i did not do anything but blocking it in.

00:38:16: But Then I ran back.

00:38:18: I just wave at everyone on the team, come one.

00:38:21: And they're screaming believe in yourself.

00:38:22: and The guys told me after that They were like we all believing it ourselves who are like shut the fuck up Just go back and play hockey.

00:38:28: but i had to...I don't know why You know?

00:38:33: I thought..i thought i have to motivate Everyone now um where their like.

00:38:37: hey Come On little kid!

00:38:38: Just Go Back and Play.

00:38:40: Yeah That was intrinsically.

00:38:42: I didn't really think about It.

00:38:43: so I Think the transition came quite fast Ever since after two thousand eight, I had already kind of a uh yeah.

00:38:52: Two thousand eight two thousand ten i guess?

00:38:55: I already had kind of the leadership role in the team.

00:38:57: um Already

00:38:59: it's funny how it seems like it's almost more than perception on the outside Whereas for you exactly that you say It's never a cut Like You're just The dude and then the next day your still the same Dude plus that one day of experience, right?

00:39:13: But for everybody else somewhere there's some success.

00:39:17: There is some goal.

00:39:18: and outside thing where people tend to have this perception... That now all the sudden you know.

00:39:25: someone else said.. You were then what you are.

00:39:29: I want finish off on the sporting chapter in a sense And ask when it was time to stop Basically, um there was two thousand nineteen and then the pandemic.

00:39:46: Then I had a really bad bike crash And i kind of said okay well im going to the top one more time.

00:39:52: Im gonna do this!

00:39:55: In my last race which... Was shit like it just nothing came together.

00:40:02: That ambition you speak off that I have my whole life Just left me Like I was totally fine With sucking and just doing like a finishing lap saying goodbye to all my friends that had cheered for all this time.

00:40:16: And That's when I knew, okay It's it's time To go.

00:40:22: This is it.

00:40:23: hang up your shoes.

00:40:25: What about you?

00:40:26: Like what was your moment When You realized Okay i'm not gonna push For another olympic cycle Im Not Gonna Try XYZ.

00:40:34: Thats the point.

00:40:37: I Was never Convinced About the end and but I share the exact same Story that you just shared at one point.

00:40:47: At one moment, I just knew and this my moment was When we it wasn't slightly different situation But when we were in Rio my third olympic games And We had this unbelievable incredible probably most Most crazy game of hockey that ever existed where Four minutes to go, we were two zero down against New Zealand in the quarter-final.

00:41:16: And then even forty seconds before the end... ...we went one down and ended up winning that game in regular time three twos.

00:41:23: We scored another two goals in forty four seconds!

00:41:27: And made it into the Olympic semi-finals.

00:41:28: so not just any random game right?

00:41:31: I remember the day after.. ..I went to visit my family who was staying at the Copacabana And my daughter, eldest daughter Emma.

00:41:38: She was one at the time and I visited My wife who was struggling a lot with With a kid in Rio alone In an apartment close to the Copacabana and... ...and i-I Was visiting them.

00:41:49: and I remember on the way back.. ..I missed our running training session with the team.

00:41:53: We had actually a shakeout run in The Olympic Village.

00:41:57: You know these running tracks that they have there Where you could run around the street or in the village?

00:42:02: And I missed it because It wasn't traffic stuck in traffic and we had a day off, but then we were all supposed to be back at like five or whatever.

00:42:11: And that was the first time although... We're talking about an Olympic semifinal today after where I was like yeah!

00:42:18: But that was my priority.

00:42:20: it was like i wanted to see Emma and Stephanie.. It was like okay I'm sorry ,but ...and I didn't mean too.

00:42:31: .I left on time.

00:42:36: But we played the semi-final and of course, I mean obviously it's not only about one player but... ...I think twenty two minutes into the game were down five nil.

00:42:45: In a semifinal at The Olympics against Argentina where we had high favourites We ended up losing the Game Five Two And I knew it, immediately.

00:42:55: After that loss... ...I'm not doing another four years which by the way ended up being five years after off to Tokyo.

00:43:01: Of course this is my decision

00:43:04: in hindsight.

00:43:05: Yeah and of course that was not a hindsight but i knew at that moment That's It!

00:43:09: In that very moment after the game against Argentina at night.. ..i wasn't sure before the Olympics how good i feel But i have to say one major aspect the thoughts about training and with family.

00:43:26: And focus another, you know that kind of life that you have to live in order to get to that top?

00:43:33: The older you got ,the more you had put it.

00:43:35: so I knew thats it.

00:43:36: Fascinating which brings me too a quote we both share.

00:43:42: We repeated alot Yeah

00:43:45: i know what do want.

00:43:45: say

00:43:47: There we go take away an athlete dies twice.

00:43:50: Yeah,

00:43:50: yeah.

00:43:52: What does that mean for you?

00:43:53: Actually

00:43:53: I just the other day i read that quote been taken off up by Sebastian Keenle one of your uh... Yeah!

00:44:02: Just want to say teammates but it's more like a...

00:44:06: Fierce competitor!

00:44:07: Fierces competitors!

00:44:09: Punch eachother in the face and now we go for beers together.

00:44:12: Exactly

00:44:13: so um Sebastian he posted this on LinkedIn the other day and he was saying that, hearing that quote also.

00:44:21: That I said this one time but what it means is you get to be reborn at least

00:44:29: once.".

00:44:31: And so...I almost have to say how probably i like or prefer that statement over twice because its just more positive Because it implies a chance in an opportunity.

00:44:45: Because if I look at it now saying, okay an athlete has in comparison to everyone else the fantastic upside that you get to be reborn once and You can start from scratch.

00:44:56: That changes a lot In at least my mindset of how to think about good because they're dying twice.

00:45:01: things sounds little bit more terrible If i'm being honest.

00:45:05: So coming back to the beginning of our conversation The ambition part?

00:45:09: I always wanted to be able to provide already when I was ten.

00:45:15: And again, now we are married and everything.

00:45:18: but even twenty-five years ago i told Stephanie that my main goal is at one point to provide for us.

00:45:25: That's always been the goals of writing down myself.

00:45:31: There were not many maybe three overall because I knew that i would not be able to provide through hockey.

00:45:45: So, I knew I had to do something else.

00:45:47: there was literally no chance.

00:45:50: I mean long term.

00:45:51: during the time it was all fantastic and I could pay for my apartment in a car And I had a good time but I knew It wouldn't last forever.

00:45:59: so yeah started working.

00:46:01: an advertising company tried things left-and right.

00:46:04: just try To make some money and I was very scared of The day I quit.

00:46:09: In regards too If you have, let's say I had four thousand euros after tax in Germany when i was playing hockey per month.

00:46:20: give or take.

00:46:22: But it is not a lot of money.

00:46:25: It is much more than solid German average salary but still its going to make your rich forever.

00:46:33: and the situation?

00:46:39: Yeah, and what I didn't think about before is that four thousand after tax Is like in Germany.

00:46:45: nine-and-a-half nine thousand before tax or eight thousand before text And i didn't have any idea What?

00:46:54: That means uh.

00:46:55: Who's gonna pay me eight k Before tax In what company for what job?

00:47:00: So I was very scared of that day and so I started really trying to find my way into the work life before.

00:47:08: Everything after that now with Hirox is obviously not part of the story, because again it's only opportunity and timing.

00:47:14: And a lot of luck and good ideas!

00:47:17: Of course we also did some things right but... That starting point of that is simply just again the thrive towards something.

00:47:26: The ambition to not be stuck and move on, do the next chapter.

00:47:31: I had two terrible years after I finished my international career where i didn't have any fire in me for anything!

00:47:38: I was...I didn't know what it was?

00:47:40: It's like an ex-athlete but then I still wanted to be the athlete But at the same time I wasn't taken seriously.

00:47:49: Nobody could take me seriously because I was not serious myself.

00:47:53: So it was two years of struggling and then that high rocks really did that fire in me again,

00:48:00: growing through the struggle do you actually think?

00:48:02: It was helpful to have nothing like sometimes In terms of financial security know if thats your prerogative And that's something you have?

00:48:11: i always feel Like having too many options or Having a safety net Or having some kind Of support or whatever it is in That sense is obviously great, but it doesn't force you to innovate as you said before.

00:48:25: You know?

00:48:26: It's kind of like taking a loss...you're forced to actually think and your forced take the risk because going into Hirox you invent a sport!

00:48:37: out of nothing, like who invents a sport?

00:48:39: I mean you do because you're the biggest sports nut that i know and people say oh well if you don't know Mo follow him on social media.

00:48:48: Because whenever there's a major sporting event he knows about every score, every result ,every drama and every last-minute decision!

00:48:57: And therefore it makes sense for you to actually discover something.

00:49:07: But do you think it really helped?

00:49:09: You know transitioning from you to be a sports fan of other things too actually inventing something is starting From ground zero.

00:49:17: I mean in all honesty, but don't Think that I know many people then would have gone dead route That way and mainly because i went all-in iris iris everything i Got financially.

00:49:35: i wasn't debt not only spend everything i had I also spent a lot more than i had and at that time ever thought one person can have.

00:49:46: I just borrowed money from banks, people friends anyone... And to be honest in hindsight ...I don't understand why it was such a big risk!

00:49:58: I'm like a risk taker for sure !

00:50:01: I like to gamble ,i take risks.

00:50:03: there are two different things though but anyway so its not.

00:50:06: This is very unusual for me as with my personality.

00:50:10: But the amount of risk that I took at the time, sometimes look in myself and go wow!

00:50:17: That was even looking back at it now?

00:50:20: It's like crazy but i believed so much into this.

00:50:29: And by the way I really want to take away their credit.

00:50:31: I did not invent hyrox.

00:50:34: You know my partner Christian who had the initial idea and there's a huge team behind that, And i was again lucky enough to be part of this group of people That started this movement and also did a few things in their myself.

00:50:49: But uh...I was convinced after like year or so.. ..i was just very convinced that it will be what is now And I guess that's the answer to my own question, why took the risk?

00:51:01: because i just believed so much in it.

00:51:03: But yes!

00:51:04: It helps knowing not having a safety net and saying... I could take this risk but or keep whatever is on my bank account also have decent life.

00:51:17: maybe do some other things on the side?

00:51:20: Do

00:51:21: you think thats two three decades of Practicing nerves of steel, like I mean every penalty you ever took where it was deciding the game.

00:51:31: Every shot... Where is lying on you?

00:51:35: Is that something in some way or other prepared for just taking a shot?

00:51:43: I would say yes!

00:51:45: It'd be an obvious answer but i'm not sure if its so easy to combine two things.

00:51:54: I guess to again, subconsciously in regards to having the confidence and yourself in decisive moments or in moments when it really counts.

00:52:05: Probably yes but i would separate two playing fields of that whole sports... Maybe you can relate there as well not sure if thats' really the same But I always said about Hockey.

00:52:22: Woken me up at five a.m.. At whatever day and asked me any trivia question about hockey I would have answered it.

00:52:28: i Would not sleep before an olympic final?

00:52:32: And all because i'm just in my head, I couldn't sleep Because of my hat.

00:52:35: i was playing the whole game already that I had tomorrow.

00:52:38: I was looking at my opponent, so he hates when I tackle him on the left and drop back to right then cutback in.

00:52:45: He's very bad in defence on his backhand.

00:52:47: So i tried go there.

00:52:48: When have a one-on-one against that player Short corner The goalie moves always quick with his left foot.

00:52:54: so put it bottom right You know?

00:52:55: It was playing whole game into me head.

00:53:00: That is mental for sure.

00:53:02: But I needed that and that's how it was approaching these games, in business life.

00:53:09: obviously i was missing the whole part.

00:53:11: so thats why im struggling to fully say yes to your question because i didnt have this experience.

00:53:17: its much more guessing or following your gut and understanding.

00:53:21: In hockey i've seen every situation a million times paper blanche.

00:53:30: I didn't really know what i was doing.

00:53:33: so it's even more stressful

00:53:35: Yeah, but i mean i guess that how you started off as a kid too right like You start of somewhere and if i wake you up at five o'clock?

00:53:40: Right now i know you wouldn't be happy.

00:53:42: But apart from That you could tell me who is you Know running which operation where?

00:53:48: and thats

00:53:48: true

00:53:49: Which market Is about to open?

00:53:50: And

00:53:51: yeah Thats the fair point.

00:53:52: yeah, that's The Fair Point.

00:53:54: you kind Of.

00:53:54: That's

00:53:54: A Fair Point.

00:53:55: yeah

00:53:56: Work Yourself Into.

00:53:56: It would like to briefly, just briefly touch on the idea of balance.

00:54:05: Which is something that I think you guys obviously are infamously known for your celebrations which is an individual athlete could probably never imagine right?

00:54:18: Like we were living a celebrant lifestyle and hanging around two point nine percent body fat at the Olympics And That was something i was priding myself.

00:54:27: And here you guys were playing PlayStation, having fun and games in-and between matches.

00:54:36: Then being on at the time.

00:54:39: We might have to cut this too In the conversation but I really don't want to leave This out.

00:54:44: just how You get the balance right of Performing because i think it leads so much To why he can perform over a long Time.

00:54:55: Is It Just Something That You Need The Valve?

00:54:58: Yeah, I guess again there's not a very simple answer to that question.

00:55:03: And of course it is different in sports.

00:55:06: Ofcourse In the sport you were doing There was completely different level of physical Empowerment and fitness You have to be able perform on an order To Be The Best In The World Especially in team sports that I played with a ball, the eye-hand control and way you can handle a ball.

00:55:32: It can trick above players who are physically much fitter.

00:55:37: but as i mentioned before there is more room for balance between games in comparison to arrays nine hundred and twenty hours like yours, so that's a major difference.

00:56:00: But yes we even had... And I don't know the English, it is not very great translation into English but before the tournament about the perfect mix of we call it anspanung and entspanung.

00:56:17: So whenever you're, I mean please do translate that... Tension

00:56:21: and relaxation really is what i would...

00:56:24: Exactly in that mixture!

00:56:26: It sounds better in German because the words sound almost the same.

00:56:28: so that's why it's almost like a wordplay.

00:56:31: And um.. We said that we have to enjoy The Olympics ,we HAVE TO GET THAT SPIRIT.

00:56:37: If we have a day off, We are allowed to go to any sports event that we want.

00:56:41: To pick up the spirit and see other athletes usually Germans because you will have patriotic support in an Olympic village every day... ...to go there and see how they try to succeed and what they're doing.

00:56:55: And this me personally and others didn't do it by the way were on team again.

00:57:01: Some needed some don't But that gave me so much energy and spirit, fun to watch.

00:57:10: I think this is highly important throughout the tournament.

00:57:14: And then Aura's referring to post-tournament celebrations again!

00:57:20: Imagine... You would, and we talked about the coaches things earlier.

00:57:23: And I have to take my what I said back?

00:57:25: I'm not counting the coaches on this stuff into it because they are NOT experiencing the exact same thing than you were experiencing now.

00:57:33: They're experiencing a familiar and similar thing but not The exact same emotions that you experienced while you did your race.

00:57:41: But imagine you had seventeen guys that did the exact same race with you and then you are at the finish line, celebrating with seventeen guys exactly in the same emotion.

00:57:50: That automatically leads to madness for sure!

00:57:55: And yeah...that's also what I like a lot about team sports and celebrating.

00:58:01: Well truly going mental is it something you carry into your teams these days?

00:58:07: You know when you're building an organization kind of that mixture of tension and Finding it just right because I always look at it.

00:58:16: It's kind of like your holding a bird in your hands, right?

00:58:18: If you hold the too tight you gonna squeeze it It's going to die And if you'll hold it too loose is Gonna fly away and you don't have the bird anymore.

00:58:26: How do you do that in a professional sense?

00:58:28: Because That Is The Transition i think A lot Of Professional Athletes Struggle With As Well I

00:58:34: guess.

00:58:34: To Stay In Your Picture I'm trying to build a cool house where the bird can fly around but still not leave.

00:58:44: So, take... Not hold it too tight or loose But try and create an environment in which the birds feel comfortable And have great time without ever wanting to fly away.

00:58:56: That's kind of the company culture that we're trying to create Which is why want people come into our office To work from there with us Enjoy their spirit.

00:59:06: But the direct answer to your question is, one hundred percent yes.

00:59:09: We're very good in also celebrating One of the biggest and most important days that Is prepared for like six months almost?

00:59:19: It's the post Tyrox World Championship staff after party That it probably the most important day of a lot off the company every year And we had this for the last three years.

00:59:32: We've been really, and this is important to us.

00:59:34: honestly This is...we tell everyone!

00:59:37: We work our butts off, we worked hard.

00:59:39: a lot of people are busting their asses all over for this company.

00:59:43: That's time to enjoy it celebrate and also invest into such an experience.

00:59:50: For sure that something you took out sports

00:59:52: Yeah I really like that which Prove your brings me to the last topic.

00:59:57: I just want to touch on with you.

00:59:59: is That balance and that motivation and creating that house.

01:00:04: Literally, the house you're sitting in.

01:00:06: how do you manage?

01:00:06: That as a dad How do you managed?

01:00:10: You know The ambition that you have And the expectation that's placed upon your kids Just because you are you and Raising the best kid possible.

01:00:21: cuz there's something obviously trying to figure out day by day.

01:00:25: Yeah, I mean that's funny because first of all we have to say you need a license for fishing.

01:00:31: But kids can just like that right?

01:00:34: That is already kind-of crazy considering the impact on other lives with both things.

01:00:45: but anyway...I think this picture gets clear and probably the hardest job that you're just learning on the job, literally.

01:00:55: I mean... You can read books and listen to advices but if there's one thing i learned about advices for being parents it is like don't listen to any advice really.

01:01:10: so again its a lot of ambition.

01:01:16: Luckily, we are a team and We can do this together.

01:01:19: And we Can fight about how to Do it?

01:01:22: and How To do it rise.

01:01:24: and yeah I mean honestly that.

01:01:27: but That's also good thing.

01:01:28: you know the two different perspectives.

01:01:30: i'm very ambitious in regards too Also trying to push The girls towards achieving something.

01:01:36: and when they don't understand math then um i Don't like just taking It.

01:01:42: i'm trying to Push them to try to wanna understand it.

01:01:45: And if they don't, then I have to take my wife's perspective much more where she saying relax It doesn't matter They will learn the next year is fine and that we come together in their logic somewhere.

01:01:57: But i guess its like...I love spending time with them!

01:02:01: And..i can't spend as much time With him than i would Like too.

01:02:06: but Then were talking priorities again.

01:02:08: at The same Time i'm trying to We're Trying To build something That Can Hopefully Make all our lives easier and better.

01:02:16: So I'm happy to prioritize, uh...to a certain extent into that direction in order then full circle bring it back to the family.

01:02:26: And whenever i travel internationally its not good for my biological footprint but im trying to fly out always daily if i have meetings anywhere because i want spend the night here Whenever that's possible, I do that.

01:02:46: On a tenth week and four times this year with my daughters on hockey tournaments somewhere in Germany spending the night intense when they had their little under ten tournament.

01:02:58: Yeah just love spending time with them And i think this is most important ingredient for being good dad or parent is if you just simply love spending time with them, then because then you will try everything to do that and make the best out of it.

01:03:16: And yeah I think... That's what i'm striving for for sure!

01:03:21: Yeah which really brings me to wonder.. Your wife Steffi should say she's saying its gonna be fine or they'll learn next year.

01:03:32: You describe yourself as being a late bloomer?

01:03:38: What does it cost someone to bloom late in a world that is just obsessed with prodigies?

01:03:48: It always has to be the ten-year old who's performing like The Next Pro.

01:03:55: There are so much about ambition and parents' ambition being placed upon their kids, what do you think is the cost of someone blooming late in this society?

01:04:07: I'm

01:04:07: not sure there was a cost... I almost would say that parents' ambition is, i think the worst thing that can happen to kids these days.

01:04:17: Um, ninety percent of the negative conversations are here in school, parents parent night meetings or whatever...i'm listening and i'm always thinking no way your kid has any problems with it whatsoever!

01:04:32: That's your problem-that you're just transferring on.

01:04:37: Or when I listen to the comments and what people say in The Hockey Club where my kids play, their ambitions.

01:04:48: They all have fun... It's the parents that are unhappy with their kid being placed on a second team instead of first one.

01:04:56: So i would say actually thats maybe a little bit mistake but i love taking time not too fast or early.

01:05:06: I love the fact that people tell me my daughter, who is ten in comparison to others seems a couple of years younger from how she acts and behaves because still loves playing dress-up with her little sister.

01:05:24: Her main priority isn't going into the mall already which other people prefer at this age.

01:05:31: so yeah...I love it!

01:05:32: I think that's to try to enjoy your childhood as much you can for, as long as you can.

01:05:38: Life becomes really pretty predictable if at one point the only time You Can Really flourish and where basically every day something unforeseen happens is when you're a kid And nobody cares.

01:05:52: they don't know any schedules They Don't Know What They're Doing Tomorrow.

01:05:55: They Just Go With Their Gut.

01:06:01: That's a beautiful thing.

01:06:02: So, um... I don't want them to learn math today!

01:06:06: I just want them TO WANT TO LEARN MATH TODAY!

01:06:10: And then it's fine if they learned later.

01:06:13: Beautifully said Moe, beautifully said.

01:06:15: Final question that we have for every guest on the show and you can obviously define this any way that you would.

01:06:25: when was the last time you went mental?

01:06:30: I have to think about it for a second, how?

01:06:32: i want answer because the first thing that popped into my mind was like really night out with my boys sitting in a restaurant and then sitting there till four am until nobody could talk anymore.

01:06:46: That's perfect!

01:06:49: There is definitely mental... Nobody remembers what we were talking.

01:06:57: So it was like just ten guys sitting there talking for nine hours and then going into bed.

01:07:06: That is as mental, I love that we haven't had this one before in true hockey fashion style.

01:07:13: Go big or go home Moe!

01:07:14: It's been a pleasure.

01:07:15: thanks so much for coming on taking the time.

01:07:19: Thank you for having me great questions.

01:07:21: It's always fun to think about these things again.

01:07:24: You don't do that in daily life, so I appreciate it very much!