The Norwegian Method: Science vs. Soul – Kristian Blummenfelt

00:00:00: Physically a terminator, but he's mentally soft as butter.

00:00:03: Yes!

00:00:04: And stuff like that is just fucking hell.

00:00:06: no I'm fucking gonna prove they got it wrong.

00:00:09: Christian

00:00:10: Blumenfeld

00:00:10: apparently

00:00:11: the fittest man on the planet.

00:00:14: there are some real numbers backing them up.

00:00:16: i was in hospital and It kind of touch-and go whether my leg would come back together.

00:00:22: you were Like one of the reasons why?

00:00:25: I was lying There and I was like dude have gotta Come Back If I do anything with my life, ...I want to race this man and beat him one more time.

00:00:36: It

00:00:36: hurts...more....to lose!

00:00:39: Because so many people think of the great goal but have talked a few athletes now And at the end they're just like Jesus.

00:00:48: thank God i didn't loose!

00:00:51: I'm looking for myself as sort-of the guy who is supposed to win races.

00:00:57: It's just like ticking off the box.

00:00:59: Of course it tastes good, if I don't do it... ...it comes back on my mind!

00:01:07: I always did wonder whether i got in your head a little bit.

00:01:11: You can't redo our race Like the winner takes you all along on the race day.. ..I also felt that was sort of last chance to beat you.

00:01:19: You do for ninety-eight percent of right reasons and life And two percent is for assholes out there The people who say you cant' do this

00:01:25: being on training camps with the boys and then out under hour eight.

00:01:30: And just think, yeah this is I'm loving it you know like uh i'm in the zone.

00:01:35: It's more important to focus on The first win in Hawaii right on a second one You know?

00:01:40: Like new one at the time.

00:01:42: So that really what?

00:01:43: getting me up an out of bed in the mornings

00:02:00: Christian Christian Blumenfeld apparently the fittest man Planet I love it.

00:02:07: That's gotta be pretty cool because objectively you actually have something to say.

00:02:10: It's not so much like of a feel thing.

00:02:12: there is some real numbers backing that up and Today show Blumenfeld going mental appreciate the time.

00:02:20: how are

00:02:21: you?

00:02:21: I'm good, thank You for having me.

00:02:25: Yeah just made it back home to Bergen now after like close two three months off traveling, racing a lot.

00:02:33: So I definitely feel it's nice to have a little bit of down time now with having close two five weeks at home in Bergen before building up for the next second half of this season with first challenge Roth for the first time in Germany and then trying do whatever i can get that race in Kona In Hawaii.

00:02:59: We'll get there for sure.

00:03:00: But I have to ask, traditionally we're asked on the show when you hear going mental like Christian Going Mental what does it mean?

00:03:08: What comes up in your head and what is going mental means to you?

00:03:12: I feel that's inside drive.

00:03:15: most athletes are put together in a strange way as often something missing into their brain what we are doing together.

00:03:31: And I guess, yeah like... What you could do physically is one thing.

00:03:37: but i guess most athletes it's also having sort of that mental strength and I think that's what have got me to where I am today as well.

00:03:46: uh But yeah It's a hard to pinpoint.

00:03:49: I guess Is more like this inside drive in the hunger off getting there.

00:03:54: Yeah love it!

00:03:55: I mean its very different for everybody.

00:03:57: like for me going mental is probably your last six weeks.

00:04:03: Like I mean you redefine record books, you're redefining what's possible doing cool things in triathlon.

00:04:09: but that kind of schedule?

00:04:11: It was four races sort-of two and a half continents almost let's just say a lot of travel between... Two full distance races!

00:04:21: Two half distance races.

00:04:25: then the first one goes wrong, goes down the drain and or not down-the-drain.

00:04:31: but I mean by your standards you know go out there.

00:04:34: And it feels like The one thing that can hold you back is mechanical things.

00:04:40: But what i'm really interested in Is a lot of athletes after That first race would have been Like no this is A terrible idea.

00:04:48: There's No way I should be doing This.

00:04:50: What made you get on a plane to Geelong like six days later?

00:05:03: we were discussing back and forth but I still really believe that yeah, like i will definitely bounce back from each race quite quickly.

00:05:26: And the idea was to come in with a high volume going into that block and then sort of just serve through With little bit more intensity in between.

00:05:34: But then getting it to the first race and you know Like being fifteen minutes or so behind travel fully in the race and uh Just feeling crap It's um...it is definitely like A point where there are questions the decisions, you know?

00:05:49: Like if I wasn't able to turn it around for G-long and like imagine having two poor races in a row.

00:05:55: And then having like still travel rest of the loop around the globe In order to finish their travel schedule would have been tough.

00:06:06: so...I think.. I felt i was in good shape going into New Zealand.

00:06:12: It's just little bit off that I was struggling with little fever few days before the race felt that sort of was in good shape, but wasn't able to get out any full distance.

00:06:22: And luckily I feel good on the training.

00:06:25: just straight after and also having when i was going into that block of racing it always was looking one race ahead.

00:06:34: so It definitely helped with motivation.

00:06:37: guys like Jelle Geins and Hagen Wilde on a start list in G-Long So... the next race rather than taking a three or two races side.

00:06:50: And I think that was helping me through that process as well, yeah it's recovering really very well and had good legs on three out of four races.

00:06:59: Definitely fair to say!

00:07:01: The turnaround is something i want to get into later also like one your leading slogans.

00:07:07: but... It got my thinking.

00:07:11: so not just in PR mode.

00:07:13: You actually had a little bit of doubt, maybe after the first one.

00:07:19: But now you finished that set of racing with what should be considered world record?

00:07:27: I mean it's... What should we consider the fastest time ever if you'd... Considered as proper swim and race, phenomenal performance!

00:07:34: What does this do for your mind?

00:07:37: leading into Kona?

00:07:38: Definitely good confident booster again like one thing to do quick splits like that.

00:07:44: But also, in one way I was Martin Monroe is quite close to me like ninety seconds behind uh... In a full distance.

00:07:53: our man it's not far.

00:07:54: so even though i was the strong won on this fourth lap and third lap of the run..I was actually winning more against all you guys in that race at this time last year.

00:08:08: So still feel like have do to build up towards October, right?

00:08:14: Because I would say i was still the big favorite for world championship last year at this point of the season.

00:08:21: So I still had that in my mind.

00:08:23: and yeah do you think like with all the attention is now on the pros here.

00:08:30: it brings all the best athletes together for all the races.

00:08:34: It's also really lifting up level In sport making more Challenging like it's more guys who can be out there and fight for the win.

00:08:44: And Like, he was still a guy who maybe didn't play their cards the smartest like You know Schoenberg to me one of the guys Who is going out in a three or five place if he's facing it little bit better in Kona?

00:08:59: He could be.

00:09:01: Yeah, you get dangerous guy.

00:09:03: yellow jeans had his first one.

00:09:05: So even though I was able to get on top off taking the win in maybe one of the strongest races outside world championship.

00:09:13: It's still a different beast, I guess... ...in Kona and even like your countryman Pasi Glangja he tends to show up with some amazing legs there.

00:09:25: so yes it is good to be able to tick off some boxes but i have that feeling for four years since my last World Championship title coming back on my mind, like okay this year I really have to do it right.

00:09:41: But that's exactly what i'm trying to say.

00:09:42: yes physically is super amazing but if you look at your corner build and everybody's corner built You've got a long build up.

00:09:49: And then you try put in some heat preparation Where as this block In my words was kamikaze.

00:10:00: Like it wasn't kamikazi for raceblock It hasn't been done before According every physiology But also mentally, I mean coming from a full distance race and traveling all these kind of things.

00:10:13: Mentally makes you kind of fatigued.

00:10:15: And so i'm wondering doesn't that point to You?

00:10:19: That's actually the perfect preparation for you because you just have To be in the zone you can only focus on The next race and you Can't overblow the big target.

00:10:28: yeah agree like but it looks Like if we do this same build up four Kona, like I've been thinking about doing a classic rotis and then kona.

00:10:37: Then people will sort of blame it.

00:10:39: they would say oh Like if i'm not ending up we're not winning our way.

00:10:42: They'll say that's because you did this season build-up like You just ruin yourself.

00:10:47: so In one way I would like to do the same but also I feel It is risky to put in Five full distance races in one season before kona.

00:11:01: I guess even doing four, it's a bit on the borderline many.

00:11:05: Um...I still haven't decided what to do with second half of this season.

00:11:10: not just because all other people are saying but in the same time like i feel that my builder for Nice last year was uh good?

00:11:19: Like i felt i was in pretty good shape and maybe underfueling little bit around there combined with a little bit poor pacing, I went out aggressively on the run following Gustav rather than just staying at more ideal pace like Kasper did.

00:11:37: So i don't want to sort of rip everything apart from what it did last year because this is my third.

00:11:44: I think that can still do somewhat similar build-up for the world championship and as well...I was close in in the battle with Gustav until energy lab.

00:11:59: So, as... In one way I feel that don't need to redo everything compared what i've done before.

00:12:05: it's more like getting it right on race day.

00:12:10: You said you put some emphasis on what people think or at least your aware of it and then followed Gustaf instead doing what you actually somewhere inside knows is part of your method.

00:12:30: Why do you think that?

00:12:31: it's because I think your approach is very methodical?

00:12:35: But What Is It In Your Mind That You Need To Kind Of Flick The Switch, to Then Trust Stick To Your Guns?

00:12:54: getting the advantage by staying with him and then maybe just trusting my own pace for a second half.

00:13:04: So yeah, it is scary to do in a world championship but I feel that was what i was learning from what Casper did last year And also doing little bit of same strategy in Texas two weeks ago like let people up front their damage, break your legs and then just wait for that the second half to run.

00:13:32: And like even on the second lap in Texas out of three laps I was more focusing on getting an nutrition in than going forward sort trying to catch up to Martin

00:13:45: The slogan...I don't know if you still have it on your bike but It was such Like it hit home so much.

00:13:53: It hurts more to lose because So many people like think of the great goal and think of all this.

00:14:00: but I've talked a few athletes now, And at the end of the day they're just like Jesus.

00:14:05: thank God i didn't loose you know?

00:14:07: and it resonates so much.

00:14:12: But How is it?

00:14:14: or what?

00:14:14: Is that you deepest fuel.

00:14:16: It's a fear of loss.

00:14:17: I think it comes down to that little bit with like going mental and the attitude a lot of athletes are having, they're looking at themselves as number one.

00:14:28: That's their order we have in a race.

00:14:30: people love to be number one on there And that's sort of the world we're living in.

00:14:41: I think it was same with you when you were racing, like... You looked at yourself as The number one racer.

00:14:46: and Like When you came into race As a favorite?

00:14:50: He also wanted to get out of the race At his favorites!

00:14:52: And then like..the world is In level And i think thats the Same.

00:14:57: How Im looking at It Like I've been Looking at myself as the sort Of the guy who Is supposed To win the races.

00:15:05: It's just like ticking off the box.

00:15:08: Of course, it tastes good but yeah... ...it hurts way more to lose to someone.

00:15:16: and that comes down to if a winner race is sweet feeling in next few hours then their world will be in balance.

00:15:26: But If I don't do this for two or three weeks we'll just come back on our mind when I'm jumping into the pool and then just thinking about small mistakes that they didn't trade, maybe leading up to loss.

00:15:41: So yeah it's so painful!

00:15:44: And i think that is driving me a lot in trading.

00:15:52: even like feeling ahead on Queen K in twenty-twenty four was sort of shuffling an hour slower run course.

00:16:02: my schedule time, like just the reflection that's going through the mind on those awful days is one thing.

00:16:14: But also think that yeah... Just going through those races makes a good one feel even better.

00:16:18: Like if I compare their race in New Zealand where i was struggling from the first and second k on the run And you know when looking down at watching it realized oh shit!

00:16:29: It's forty K to go.

00:16:31: I'm sort of out-of-the-race.

00:16:33: I have to pull the emergency brake just in order for me able to finish the race, compared with having legs that are heading into Texas where it's like okay i am running at three thirty pace.

00:16:43: now its smooth.

00:16:44: we're counting up eighteen k twenty four K getting close to thirty K before even feeling tired.

00:16:50: so It is an interesting contrast between good and bad days

00:16:57: Like...I can relate so much because Yeah, exactly like you say.

00:17:01: Validating is not the same as coming back.

00:17:05: and on that note do You think that perhaps New Zealand was actually The key to have a bad race first up?

00:17:11: And then just Have this hunger and A little bit of something else spurring you On?

00:17:17: Could've been because also the race in New Zealand Was maybe the easiest Race out Of the four Like I would say that was the least stacked field.

00:17:26: When it came to G-Long, I had Hayden and Jelle.

00:17:29: Oceanside is what people call a real season opener... ...and then Texas again one of the strongest fields.

00:17:37: So maybe i was a little bit like underprepared as well not in terms my physical shape but maybe mentally.

00:17:44: Maybe when I was coming into T-True thinking yeah.. ..I have now just put together an okay run rather than being on the toes sort of more on the aggressive side.

00:17:57: So maybe I took it, took a little bit too easy on the first one and there was like a slap in your face?

00:18:04: Well i mean you certainly didn't take an easy in Geelong coming ninety seconds down to both Jelleh and Hayden!

00:18:10: They're not exactly slow runners.

00:18:12: so...I just really think..i get the physiology and that you are able to run a one-o-six most days of the week.

00:18:19: but i do wonder if to activate it in you.

00:18:25: You know what I mean?

00:18:26: Yeah, yeah um...I'm not sure.

00:18:29: uh i think in the long run like is good to have those bad days in order to just do everything in preparation.

00:18:37: well Like if-if i was just like having an easy win.

00:18:41: and you see on an easy winning G-Long like then probably would lose to guard a little bit for ocean side.

00:18:48: Uh because of this Tricky to be on the toes like and being focused for twelve months great.

00:18:57: So I do think it helps you have some tough days.

00:19:02: But again, I do also enjoy racing the guys up front.

00:19:06: And if wouldn't come easy anyway especially not having raised Hayden four last three or four years in short course.

00:19:14: Yeah He was definitely a guy who wanted show that i could beat on the run.

00:19:20: So I was maybe more mentally prepared for a run than being put under pressure on the bike.

00:19:26: And maybe they were a little bit opposite?

00:19:28: Yeah, absolutely!

00:19:30: Do you have the same thing in your training session as well that when a race doesn't go well?

00:19:35: but if it's just like twenty-thirty watts off or just a few seconds off.

00:19:42: does it bother

00:19:42: you?

00:19:43: Not really... If i'm getting dropped by Gustav and Kasper Then it sort of hurts more, but I would say the one who is setting their level out.

00:19:57: So if you're doing six or seven by ten minutes on a bike somehow every time we are standing at the bottom of the hill The two of them just looking for me and waiting to start the interwalt then they follow a few seconds behind.

00:20:13: so i do feel that often continuous or just follow along and then the graph, three of four intervals.

00:20:24: they are coming to the front if they feel for it.

00:20:28: But I'm also sort of fine with adjusting your training.

00:20:32: like i'm not stressing about doing a threshold run at the three-twenty pace.

00:20:37: If Im feeling like garbage but im also not celebrating a threshold session Emotions for the training can be quite flat.

00:20:51: Of course, it is easier to do a good session but I'm not getting stoked necessarily by having a good section because i know that It's in the races what matters?

00:21:02: Yeah!

00:21:02: I wish I had emotional stability cause.

00:21:05: oh man...I hated when training didn't go right and something went wrong.

00:21:09: Oh man, it was just like I really struggled to leave at the door and just leave that session.

00:21:14: But then yeah times are different.

00:21:17: also you raise so much more than probably have a race experience.

00:21:21: but i do find interesting That this kind of setback in a race And same thing with Kona because we mentioned before It was a tough year, right?

00:21:36: You came into Paris which I'd love to get in.

00:21:40: But then you have this walking race or an hour behind... ...I've done the same thing in twenty seventeen and it took me like months!

00:21:51: I wrote off the season when i went on winter and took all these furos.

00:21:54: You come back and a couple of weeks later set a world record.

00:22:00: Does is ever feel that's

00:22:02: enough?!

00:22:04: to make up for

00:22:26: it?

00:22:33: a month rest, no training just completely off.

00:22:39: So I think that was sort of restarting everything and so... Of course i was hungry for the comeback but also knew how to recharge the batteries because after both Paris and Cone again I was trained from energy because straight-from the twenty-twenty one Olympic games.

00:23:04: It was basically no rest because it went straight from an Olympics to World Series Grand Final, trying to get ready for Kona before it was born and then I did a custom race in the end of twenty-one and then St George which is always like a new sort of challenge ahead.

00:23:21: And when iIwas done with Kona in twenty-two years um...it was almost straight back into short distance racing Because i went back to st george sevenths been trees and then to Bermuda, so it's like no real rest until Paris.

00:23:35: And even going into Paris the whole twenty-four season I was...I wasn't able to bridge up that one minute gap ahead.

00:23:43: uh..to both Alex and Hayden on The Races early season in twenty four went uh...uhh.... I would say like poorly Like.

00:23:53: i was just not able get a leg speedup again on the run.

00:23:56: And I would say maybe the most challenging part, mentally there were that after the altitude camp in Fondres-Romeu before the Olympics when i went down to sea level.

00:24:10: I didn't get a response on my run training but it was like that understood... ...I needed in order to fight for the win!

00:24:19: Like the run split was the same after that altitude camp as they were before my races at Yokohama few months earlier.

00:24:28: So I felt like, okay this is a...I'm not at the level i need to be in order to win the race but then again you still sort of try to tell yourself that there's still a way to win it.

00:24:41: if put everything on the line and have magical legs just suddenly turn around somehow magical than they'll ever chance.

00:24:56: deep inside I sort of realized that the level i had in training was probably not enough.

00:25:03: While going into Tokyo, I felt like I'm a ninety percent chance...I have my nine-percent chance at winning the race!

00:25:10: I just don't need to do anything stupid and go into the following games as a reigning champion thinking maybe ten per cent chance of winning the races?

00:25:21: And I can't step on single steps wrong.

00:25:24: That was tricky.

00:25:27: Because

00:25:28: your coach at the time, Olaf Alexanderbou, he said that you needed some distraction in twenty-twenty three and that the hunger wasn't quite the same.

00:25:40: like what were you chasing?

00:25:42: Maybe it wasn't Paris or do you think it's just an overload?

00:25:46: I guess with more of a overload for me.

00:25:50: We did both, or we disagreed a bit on what went wrong going into Paris.

00:25:57: And maybe it was lack of break in between the twenty-two season and twenty three?

00:26:04: Maybe like there's always something happening.

00:26:09: but I also think that yeah...maybe The way we went with trading was too much tilted towards long distance in the past, training.

00:26:22: But as you know when we are discussing the plan for training like... You can discuss it as much as you want with a coach and then together.. Like you never know for sure in advance.

00:26:35: so just agree on going from one pathway or another.

00:26:38: And I think that we went a little bit wrong way The last six months of going into Paris.

00:26:47: Okay because i have to ask I mean, I was there as a commentator.

00:26:51: Right?

00:26:51: And...I mean.. There's been chaos around the course and things were up-and down!

00:26:57: As an athlete it was super tough because you get an email at four in the morning saying that day has changed.

00:27:04: but what really struck me.... I've wanted to ask this for like two years.

00:27:08: all of sudden..... I don't know.

00:27:10: forty eight hours or before everybody was like Christian Blumfeldt is gonna win the tour in twenty twenty eight And he's looking for this.

00:27:19: Then your coach at the time was going around, The Village asking other cycling coaches that I knew and they're like... They give me a call again.

00:27:28: what is going on?

00:27:29: Christian it's the Olympic final tomorrow which turned out to be day after you were sharing cycling plans.

00:27:36: What happened there?

00:27:38: No i didn't really share too much cycling plans but people started talking about.

00:27:42: so Say anything really about it.

00:27:48: I was just asked around it and maybe the timing there wasn't.

00:27:53: It wasn't the best timing of getting those things leaked out, but going into a race we did talk with like some different teams But that I wasn't ready to go out with those sort of bold statements That came up two days before the race like Yeah, they were maybe little bit blown up a little bit.

00:28:17: And yeah, my focus wasn't on that at the time.

00:28:20: My focus was more on the race itself But both went south.

00:28:28: I would say

00:28:29: Yeah fair enough but it just struck me.

00:28:32: as you know You're going in as a defending Olympic champion and there's all this thing going on... ...and i didn't quite understand whether.. ..you were trying to release some pressure or if something genuinely happens in your mind Somebody who had great plans.

00:28:48: The thing

00:28:48: is, I didn't really comment those rumors at that time.

00:28:54: It was maybe Udavu and commenting it to the journalist in a village And uh...I had nothing to say Really?

00:29:03: So Maybe there was miscommunication There.

00:29:07: so from my point of view it Was a bit unnecessarily bring that topic up few days before the Olympics because it's like at that point.

00:29:17: The focus should have been, uh...the race.

00:29:21: But again I don't think that was impacting their results in itself Because i feel i was coming in a little bit behind where i should've been physically And mentally he didn't border me too much.

00:29:35: He was more like..I was running to slow and i thought this is my main issue for the race.

00:29:42: Yeah, you really strike me as... You know Eileen Gu the free skier?

00:29:47: How she always says it's evidence over affirmation.

00:29:50: And I feel like you draw all your confidence from the training whereas i was always the guy who is like yes!

00:29:57: You can do this.

00:29:58: come on and keep going.

00:29:59: Do have an inner dialogue in your mind?

00:30:02: Do sometimes coach yourself through hard moments.

00:30:05: yeah

00:30:05: but a feeling strange when I'm training by myself.

00:30:10: If I'm riding hill wraps, this is crap.

00:30:13: This feels awful!

00:30:15: But just to do the same numbers.

00:30:17: but if i ride with Gustav and Kasper... ...I can feel that I am in control like it's fine.

00:30:24: when someone else around me is hurting more than I do then they will be able to feel better.

00:30:31: So inside the monologue its a bit different from training by myself or other

00:30:38: people.

00:30:39: Yeah, just adapted to your theme.

00:30:42: Which really brings me a little bit to the origins.

00:30:45: I'd like to switch gears here a little because we hear about The Norwegian Method so much in triathlon and it's very different To the norwegian method that we heard about at Winter Olympics And i would love to know whether That something actually happened.

00:31:02: Because the cultural one, where you're not allowed to keep score until your thirteen.

00:31:07: You get no medals and results are never published is kind of the opposite thing of what you an Olaf became famous for?

00:31:15: Did you actually have?

00:31:16: that was at Actually part Of Your Life?

00:31:18: Yeah like I do think Like it's more important To let the kids be active And enjoy a sport as long As possible standpoint, like I grew up as a swimmer.

00:31:34: And I would say it was like a mediocre swimmer.

00:31:38: that was more like... It was the place for everyone and i really enjoyed the trading aspect of it combined with uh..I think I've always loved trading.

00:31:48: so from my side I have been a kid who is maybe training too many hours or other parents were thinking its unhealthy to be doing twenty, twenty-five hours at that age.

00:32:04: But for me it has always been like... Twenty

00:32:05: five hours of swimming?

00:32:07: No no I was doing like a uh... Uh... Twenty to twenty with running and football And i got every sort activities.

00:32:16: Yeah Um but the..I would say if you look At the trading philosophy It's often being from The very beginning.

00:32:24: when I started With all this fighting back in ten he was more focused of building that engine than focusing on speed.

00:32:34: So our approach to Olympic distance has always been like having bigger capacity and engine, And then have the minimum focus on a speed.

00:32:44: so we had just enough speed To do for three minute pace in one case If I can do a full hundred on track Below sixty five or something like and I'm definitely quick enough to do seventy twos on a track.

00:33:04: And it's not the speed.

00:33:05: That's the limitation factor.

00:33:07: so From young age when I start working with other there was a lot of threshold focused on training, and The ground.

00:33:16: what's

00:33:16: young age?

00:33:16: sorry to interrupt but

00:33:19: that's Like when I was sixteen okay?

00:33:21: So I started working with Alice right in one hour.

00:33:23: sixteen back in twenty-ten, ten to twenty eleven seasons.

00:33:29: And sort of the ground principle were that when I was doing an interval i should always feel like had one more repetition in me.

00:33:38: and if he told me too That I have to do it even Like ten seconds quicker?

00:33:43: I should have that's in my.

00:33:44: so that was how we were pacing back then.

00:33:49: But you will still believe are a lot of hours So than they would like.

00:33:53: quite important that I did the easy training, easy enough.

00:33:56: And then when Olaf came on board than we tried to lift up their training for us only easy training as well and also be a little bit more precise on the threshold training.

00:34:06: that were sort of pushing it like being a little more precisely on its.

00:34:13: but i think thats tricky.

00:34:14: do with athletes who is too young off an age Like

00:34:21: you actually grew with no scores and just trying all sorts of things?

00:34:28: When you're swimming, we do have times.

00:34:33: You know if your doing a PB or not And I think especially from the swimming background it's Not too important who is winning.

00:34:41: It's more like you get high five in a thumbs up If you are doing a Pb.

00:34:46: That why every swimmer sort-of cares about their own progression towards top.

00:34:52: Of course you want to beat the guy in your club at the same age, but if both of them are doing a PB it's that they're winning.

00:35:01: But when playing football or soccer like... You do know whether he is winning or not!

00:35:07: I think there isn't any table scores for end-of-the-season just having fun and playing matches And i try make sure the teams are not getting tapered, so everyone gets a chance to play.

00:35:26: It's so fascinating because I look at it now right?

00:35:29: To have two kids and all of their parents that are obsessed with these childhood prodigies coming out and winning tournaments when they're like ten... And its so healthy!

00:35:39: Because in the beginning i had Brad Stolberg on the podcast.

00:35:43: we were talking about how important is just keep going.

00:35:50: What we both have in common if I can say so like, We are both kind of like failed swimmers Like i learned to swim and I got down too maybe a minute for a hundred backstroke but it was never anything To really be a swimmer.

00:36:03: And...we Both found this home In triathlon!

00:36:08: Someone else pointed us towards.

00:36:10: you know try This thing honestly.

00:36:11: You think would Be like nowhere swimming just that worked out?

00:36:15: It'd Just been like A little bit better at Swimming.

00:36:17: we Would Have Never Found Our Home.

00:36:20: Yeah, probably maybe it was a good thing.

00:36:24: Because if you were like few seconds quicker... ...maybe we would have a gasway towards swimming and potentially having sort of mediocre career rather than really finding sports for you?

00:36:39: And yeah!

00:36:40: Having that patience and investing the years because I mean.. The same thing You had long progression five years from your junior success to you first World Cup.

00:36:54: And yeah, it's a long time to go without having A real win right and You're always just trusting the process.

00:37:02: or did you?

00:37:03: Did you just perform what was your kind of ceiling Of moving on

00:37:09: I would say Was sort of Having like a pathway Like the progression was I felt was in the right direction.

00:37:18: Like, I was just behind the podium like in twenty twelve at a junior world championship.

00:37:25: And then... ...I've always been early at racing at the World Series.

00:37:31: so if i compare myself to other guys in a nineteen ninety-four generation.. ..I felt that was sort of on pair!

00:37:38: I was racing against Dorian Koenigs Leo and well it's like Jake Gertwoslaw.

00:37:45: So I also comparing myself little bit to that generation and I would say it was alongside the earlier generations.

00:37:57: Of course, later on i won a World Series than Alistair Brownlee for example who is probably twenty-one or twenty two.

00:38:04: but amongst younger generations to qualify for Rio in twenty sixteen there were myself Gordon Benson Tyler Muslow Jerk.

00:38:13: so I felt like having sort of progression.

00:38:16: And then the following year, I was getting... The same season.

00:38:21: I had some podiums in a World Series and at that time I had multiple podiums.

00:38:27: but it felt like we were getting close to the front.

00:38:34: so there's just missing that wind for... I thought they're chasing that wind from... Yeah!

00:38:39: The first podium of the year, the first one of the quarterfinals.

00:38:45: in the grand final.

00:38:46: So it took a while before I was able to grab that tape and uh, That was more something like that was striving towards.

00:38:54: And then there is some season where you have like i think in twenty seventeen had multiple podiums and then signed a lot of sponsors for twenty eighteen and nineteen.

00:39:05: Then like the twenty nineteenth season was just starting off.

00:39:08: crap!

00:39:08: twenty, thirty second in Leeds as well.

00:39:16: I crashed out in Hamburg, crashed out on the test event in Tokyo and at that point i felt there was having a lot of sponsors who were backing me And...I was certainly just underperforming That it's tougher to feel this pressure Because then people believed what they could have done.

00:39:44: live out of controls.

00:39:45: when you said publicly plenty times that the Olympic gold was your goal, which is a world of internal pressure.

00:39:54: But then someone's giving you five euros fifty and a bike exaggerated.

00:39:58: Of course but you know You've got your first deals.

00:40:01: How do you deal with?

00:40:04: The external pressure I mean other than well because obviously you had it tough start, but is it something where you can then channel pressure and really directed towards making you forward or does it make you anxious?

00:40:19: It's more like, if feel... You have a deal that is not deserved.

00:40:22: Like there are people believing in your and then sort of letting them down even though they were quite supportive at the time.

00:40:29: They're like rebels with asking us for anything we can do extra to make you feel better.

00:40:36: There was always sponsors who were backing but deep inside I knew Doing a thirty second place and breaking two bike frame already mid-season like that.

00:40:48: That wasn't really what I Like, uh i knew that they were asking for more you know?

00:40:52: like deep inside.

00:40:53: so Um it's much.

00:40:56: Yeah, I wanted to perform better And that was also maybe why the win in the grand final in twenty nineteen tasting so sweet because I had such a terrible season all the way until that point, i felt like this shape was getting better but it's just failing in races.

00:41:14: I was crashing out twice with good shape and then to be able to win the biggest world series race of that season over olympic distance when one year out from what is supposed to be the olympics... ...was uh..a big confident booster.

00:41:31: Do you have any idea what made you be able to flick that switch?

00:41:35: Because momentum is something that flows, right.

00:41:39: And when things are going well all of a sudden everything's going well but it rains and pours.

00:41:45: You turn around for arguably the race where pressure is biggest The stakes at highest I see.

00:41:53: with people they remain Tuesday morning world champions forever because perform the craziest number in their local crit.

00:42:02: But what do you think it was for?

00:42:04: You that changed that step from just outside of podium Just on the podium to winning.

00:42:09: The biggest race pre-olympics.

00:42:12: I Think he was a little bit they were talked about earlier.

00:42:16: like That losing those races we're hurting so much more.

00:42:20: there was so much worse than Winning its.

00:42:24: and at that point as well, like I went from having been declared sort of the candidate from Norway to go towards Olympics and being a guy who won the gold, they suddenly had to be dropped in training by Gustav on the run sessions in Thailand.

00:42:42: So it was like mental switch to oh this is... am I going to slip one year out again?

00:42:48: And then being bidded by two teammates as well into games?

00:42:54: Yeah, in my head.

00:42:55: I was the guy who's supposed to win the Olympic games in twenty twenty.

00:43:01: So i think Being sort of challenged as well like both Inside my team having two strong teammates coming through Performing better and training putting more pressure on me In a daily work As well as Just getting that hunger from there for races i did And also yeah feeling I am better than what i'm showcasing at that moment.

00:43:27: I mean, there was certainly something where the culture you guys built is unique!

00:43:35: When looking for a Norwegian method it always had to do with two Cs – carbs and culture which you introduced in the sport and turned into new things.

00:43:52: Realizing that you've won pretty much everything the sport has to offer.

00:43:57: So Olympic Gold, there's Ironman, Seventy point three I mean world record.

00:44:03: we can even include The Sub-Seven Even though To me That is not quite same league as other races.

00:44:10: But that list Is actually almost finished.

00:44:15: And when people call You the greatest of all time Does it feel like recognition or expectation?

00:44:23: I think both, like.

00:44:25: it's a little bit the goat terms that come around.

00:44:29: A little bit easy.

00:44:30: these days probably if someone wins a race they only get their goat titles straight away.

00:44:37: Well... I do agree Like i want to win Hawaii.

00:44:43: That is something thats missing.

00:44:46: The sport comes from The big island of Hawaii and it's with all the history there.

00:44:53: That what driving me more than anything else.

00:44:57: I'm also aware that we can't, like not compete against different generations Like to say in way you couldn't compete against Mark Allen.

00:45:08: He is having his face on this board And he has been bringing up at level where It was back old school days and the same like you were bringing up a level in The first guy to go from short course over two full distance with that great success.

00:45:25: And also Maybe maybe the first one too I would say almost go outside of triathlon, In terms of the interest You have created?

00:45:44: But it's more important to enjoy the journey, I would say.

00:45:48: And have fun for as long as possible.

00:45:50: It is not just about collecting titles Just for a title sake of.

00:45:54: it Is also important to Enjoy The life balance or the training raising balance.

00:46:02: Yeah

00:46:02: i mean its obviously super subjective right and think you're making the strongest case anyone has made in very Very long time In decades infact.

00:46:14: But funny enough, I read somewhere that when you started off Alistair Brownlee was one of your sporting heroes and he was obviously my greatest rival.

00:46:26: What did you see in him?

00:46:27: That...I was probably too busy realising when i was competing with him.

00:46:31: yeah what is it that gets you about him ?

00:46:34: I think it was aggressiveness like the way he was vocal in races He was dictating whatever everyone were supposed to do And when he was walking into a race, He was controlling the room.

00:46:49: I think it made that alpha feeling in the race That i was seeing Just pure aggressiveness Maybe not for long distance In terms of pacing But short course.

00:47:03: The pure class of just attacking from gun Was something really cool to watch.

00:47:13: And I was first sort of aware of the World Series back in like, twenty-ten and twenty-eleven.

00:47:18: That was a time when he and Johnny and Javier Galvez were really dominating sport... ...and uh..I was more all-in towards the Olympics at that time.

00:47:30: so i didn't care about our man who is winning Kona or deathing.

00:47:36: it's just the world series.

00:47:41: If it turned up.

00:47:42: or if we're watching one of the races from that time, like I guess they only screen time death.

00:47:47: Or the only athletes who got some screen time was Alistair and Johnny and Javier And because they were the ones in front.

00:47:52: The whole race from the gun Also you can see in facial expression like heavier looks.

00:47:59: so controlled Johnny sort of in the middle and then on Alice You could really see that.

00:48:05: yeah he is.

00:48:06: He would rather die than losing that race and it was maybe something I felt like, or similar to the way i was racing.

00:48:14: Like...I'd rather died then Losing in that race

00:48:19: And that guy had us in such control at their time and experiencing it live.

00:48:25: You know now we look back and will be reforming a friendship, then we can sort of see like that.

00:48:30: We were just too similar in many ways but especially in that time.

00:48:33: That's why I'm this whole discussion.

00:48:35: Like you said the term goat gets thrown around everywhere anywhere But Alistair to me definitely has acclaimed to their title.

00:48:42: i know he didn't never had The long-term success Or Long distance success?

00:48:47: I should say but an olympic distance it was.

00:48:49: It Was quite something To witness because The facial expression and the aura, that anger he brought to it was definitely quite something.

00:49:00: Yeah for sure!

00:49:00: And I do think maybe... He went into room in the races only his group cared about like.

00:49:14: he was caring about Johnny a few other Brits, maybe Richard Baga and then he was sort of controlling the race to his favor.

00:49:26: He was in favour of anything that would up his chances to win the race.

00:49:30: if it wasn't than you weren't interested.

00:49:33: It brings me to... what is it?

00:49:37: ... when I had a really bad bike crash, i was in hospital and it's kind of touch-and go whether my leg would come back together.

00:49:47: And you were like one of the reasons why i was lying there and i was like dude i've got to come back we've gotta come!

00:49:58: If if i do anything with my life... ...i want to race this man and i want to beat him one more time.

00:50:05: what is that?

00:50:06: gets you out the door?

00:50:07: Chasing or being chased?

00:50:09: Chasing, like I do agree.

00:50:12: Like Do...I think you met Ulav at the airport In Barcelona before the Olympic Games in Yeah Before the Olympic games in twenty one as we went up to the altitude camp and then You were like chatting with him And just told him something like Christian might be a mentally terminator.

00:50:37: No, physically a Terminator but he's mentally soft as butter.

00:50:41: Yes and stuff like that is just fucking hell.

00:50:44: no I'm fucking gonna prove they got wrong.

00:50:49: Oh man!

00:50:50: That's gold.

00:50:51: i love it.

00:50:51: tell me more.

00:50:52: And uh yeah Like.

00:50:54: of course i was also listening to the Greg Bennett podcast right before The Games when you had all the previous Olympic champions on It.

00:51:02: Yeah like i feel its people sort of doubting you.

00:51:05: then You can win is more about motivation and people are just saying, yes of course you can do it.

00:51:10: So I'm actually was a little bit as another quote.

00:51:15: i think he was from Vincent Lewis YouTube series with Super League that was called Invincible.

00:51:25: He started off the twenty-twenty one video which says something like in France we have a thing that dogs that bite no dogs that bark don't bite.

00:51:36: Let's see who parks the mulch.

00:51:38: And I do felt him referring to me at that time, so i felt like both of them were championing into games as well.

00:51:48: you had won it before with doubting and just saying there was a vocal without really having any titles on my shoulders.

00:51:59: then okay im fucking gonna turn this around.

00:52:07: You do it for ninety-eight percent of the right reasons in life and two percent is for the assholes out there, you know?

00:52:12: The people that say you can't do it.

00:52:15: What do you think it is that really fires you up because they're something special That you take negative energy And turn into something

00:52:27: I'm not sure like... I feel sometimes difficult to say what's a reason why?

00:52:32: Because even if we think okay Why did i do this?

00:52:37: Is it that fun to go out and train six, seven eight hours a day?

00:52:41: Then still I can catch myself being on training camps with the boys.

00:52:44: And then... Out in an hour or eight and just think okay this is..I'm loving it you know like uh i'm in the zone.

00:52:52: i'm feeling that the body's close to be bonked but i don't know they're having rested more.

00:52:59: I've been pushing guys to limit for yeah the whole day.

00:53:03: now I think it's like that playfulness on the day.

00:53:09: That still sort of get me out there.

00:53:10: so i can feel enjoy The weekly days as well, much just the race days to like.

00:53:15: uh.

00:53:16: Like we had um Not always be asked that as an example coming joining us for camp in Lanzarote who was sort of coming In quite cocky and reckoned he would drop us quite easily On a bike Just the feeling to be able To drop him twice within A week on intervals.

00:53:33: It's a small victory, but it is good warm.

00:53:39: The little feelings taste better than being dropped for sure!

00:53:47: Going into Milwaukee the twenty-twenty four season I tried something similar again because i knew physically on paper you are in prime of your shape and now was suffering to come back.

00:54:03: I always did wonder whether i got in your head a little bit and whether it actually landed or if i just got

00:54:12: lucky on the day.

00:54:31: uh was getting a gap early on the bike and sort of wanted to put pressure.

00:54:38: Uh, And to be honest I thought that you were struggling.

00:54:40: so i was-I thought you were sort out of the race and it's looking more at Magnus...and um Sooo..i Was More On The Aggressive Side Until The Twenty K And Then I Felt Cooked!

00:54:52: Uhhh....soo I would like To think That It Was Not That I Lost A Mental Battle But It Was More Like The Physical One.

00:55:01: But that is, again one of the races I've heard most of losing.

00:55:06: Because also when i crossed the finish line you're joy!

00:55:09: You know?

00:55:10: I think we were celebrating even more like louder than before just to throw some salt on my sores

00:55:21: and this was a difference.

00:55:24: That for me...I knew it would be my last shot Like For Me..I actually realized this is my one and only ever shop because mentally I was done like, My career.

00:55:36: And i Was happy!

00:55:37: And have a family and life Is good.

00:55:40: it's just...I could really put myself in the dark place cause you're not wrong..i was dying.

00:55:44: I was very much dying seeing You at the front and i was like oh man why couldn't you Just shut up?

00:55:50: Because i was Like i poked The bear.

00:55:51: now he's angry.

00:55:55: It wasn't It genuinely, because I wasn't aware.

00:55:57: I saw the images afterwards and it was at same time that my best friend came across kind of the Finnish area And i think we both knew this might well be last time when you get to celebrate like this.

00:56:10: so... Yeah..I don' t know if its louder or not but it's a good celebration.

00:56:18: But

00:56:18: in the same time with your last chance to beat me My sort of last chance to beat you like we only had think will only race twice and I was in Ibiza were Max Newman, so he came out into the wind.

00:56:33: And then He threw

00:56:36: salt!

00:56:36: He called your whole mess with him.

00:56:38: It was angry at the finish line

00:56:40: The bullshit Norwegian scientific method.

00:56:44: But yeah it cost him a stress fracture too.

00:56:46: take that win i guess.

00:56:47: So No Yeah, I did think that this is probably the last battle we will have and you can't redo a race.

00:57:02: The winner takes it all on the race day!

00:57:06: You've done alright.

00:57:08: in the end... It's one race but one memory And it gets me to the idea of recently having changed coaches actually changing to being self-coached.

00:57:24: So you and Olaf kind of built something over years that nobody had ever seen, especially in triathlon?

00:57:31: You split up now your writing your own plans making your own calls.

00:57:35: but you mentioned earlier you still have them as a soundboard.

00:57:38: But what does it feel like kind of being self coached?

00:57:40: I've never been self-cauched

00:57:42: Yeah.

00:57:42: so the relationship i've had with the coaches since not black or like physical with a physical distance.

00:57:53: So when Ariel came on board for the first ten years, he was giving me training programs and I had to sort of do it over emails.

00:58:03: so you've never like on deck watching me?

00:58:05: A lot of their philosophy were that uh... The smarter that is where there are more decisions they could do in the training in order to get to the top.

00:58:14: It's always been an educational relationship where they've sort of been explaining what we're doing and why.

00:58:20: And the end goal has being that we could take decisions ourselves, I do feel like after twenty-four maybe didn't use learnings we had done over last fifteen years in order to... We always wanted a re-event rather than using knowledge from past.

00:58:45: Together with Gustav and Kasper, we wanted to do a little bit more what has been working in the past.

00:58:52: And it was not scary but like... It's big step from those safe environments.

00:59:03: for the first year.

00:59:04: I really felt that i want contrasts of what is done in twenty four.

00:59:12: Luckily, we had a good start of disease and it was like easy to have this positive momentum in the group.

00:59:18: And so I didn't talk too much with Ula for first six months about training because i just wanted do my way... ...and then after the twenty-five season its been more natural to sort.. ..have a guy to discuss what he's doing.

00:59:33: Just get our neutral opinion on that on the program, what he reckoned we should focus on.

00:59:41: And I think it's healthy to get some skeptical eyes of what you're doing.

00:59:48: so that is where i have to sort of argue or defend why i'm doing and then maybe i'm just following what i still wanted to do.

00:59:57: but then i can also look back and see yeah... Maybe he was right?

01:00:01: Or maybe it worked

01:00:03: because i think about the cognitive load of being there and having to make decisions.

01:00:13: And also in middle-of-the session, you're feeling tired after I don't know... ten, twelve, fifteen by one K however many it is?

01:00:21: You are like okay should i do three more or not?

01:00:24: Having that objective person who takes away fatigue allows you focus on your training.

01:00:31: only Do think its something for now.

01:00:37: It takes the energy?

01:00:38: No, I wouldn't say that.

01:00:40: Because... ...I've never had a coach who said like enough is enough.. ..I have always been in the guy where to say okay i'm too tired and I'll call it a day.

01:00:51: So both Aril & Ulav are on more side of it.

01:01:01: The first learning was back at the end.

01:01:07: I was getting to the point where a little bit burned out from the program, but it would just...

01:01:16: Yeah.

01:01:16: A lot of volume and a lot of threshold more than I was tolerating.

01:01:21: And then we had sort-of have few weeks almost like restarting.

01:01:26: Just let body rest.

01:01:29: From that point i was very focused on making sure My body is absorbing the training.

01:01:36: So yes, I agree that we needed to train more.

01:01:38: We need to train a lot of threshold and like more hours than rest.

01:01:42: but i still need To make sure that i'm observing The training.

01:01:45: if i'm just feeling Like every for Every into all session i'm doing i'm Just getting More and more tired And i'm not Feeling i'm responding it Then uh i'm sort Of Doing It For Nothing.

01:01:57: so i think That was maybe one of the good learnings i had From an earlier career.

01:02:03: It's crazy because from the outside it is kind of like this whole system that has built around data and removing subjectivity but there are still a lot human in here.

01:02:11: Because I was actually curious, did you ever feel like science experiment?

01:02:15: You guys were collecting so much data!

01:02:17: Yeah

01:02:18: sometimes we have been lab rat But i think its giving us... We've used it in playful way to figure out more areas potentially get like a competitive advantage.

01:02:33: And especially for the first going into Tokyo, maybe even for twenty-twenty two I felt that we used it in a good way to be really well prepared while then may be going into Paris was maybe a bit too much without really using numbers right away.

01:02:55: so then i felt sometimes You know like when you're mentally preparing for race and then.

01:03:03: Want to have a down week afterwards, but then we can't have it done with because he ever tests block seven days after the race and had to sort of be ready again.

01:03:13: I thought that was off taking away the mental break.

01:03:17: or downtown

01:03:18: didn't say somewhere in an interview that for Paris U thought u were something like four kilos overweight?

01:03:25: Yes, that was maybe something I realized as well.

01:03:29: after the race or going into a race where we've been focusing too much on capacity and just building the energy.

01:03:36: And doing those sessions when I'm loading to get ready for big session rather than lifting up intensity then it's easy also gain weight somehow.

01:03:49: so... I guess it was closer to like eighty, eighty-one kilos in Paris for a race where i needed to win on the run rather than close to seventy seven or seventy six.

01:04:03: So maybe one of the good things we have learned is that kilos are not everything but they're nothing either you know?

01:04:12: It's still important to be light enough Like an extra bottle like this on the run course is not ideal.

01:04:22: Yeah, I mean four kilos for sure Feels better to run without if you have the same energy and the same engine And everything else at your disposal.

01:04:33: Christian i don't want take too much of your time.

01:04:37: one more question a quick rapid fire because my inbox has never flooded so Much from people wanting things and wanting to know questions.

01:04:50: And we touched about on it earlier, but probably more from an emotional level.

01:04:55: you've built your whole career around having something to chase like It was started off being the Olympics.

01:05:01: then there's The Iron Man record or World Record the pro series Hawaii.

01:05:06: looking at a list now Like what is actually left that really genuinely has a mid-long term goal for you that gets you excited in your gut.

01:05:22: The first

01:05:22: one is we touched on it earlier, Hawaii the big one in Kona in October.

01:05:30: and if I'm able to do that when right there are few guys who have done three titles then i will only have two so than... I guess everyone wants again.

01:05:41: but they're going like this more important focus The first win in Hawaii, right on the second one.

01:05:48: You know like you won at a time.

01:05:51: so that's Really what's getting me up and out of bed in the mornings?

01:05:57: And Getting me motivated.

01:06:01: If he couldn't do triathlon What would you do?

01:06:04: it's um I give.

01:06:06: if we should take away like swim bike and run uh i think It will Like.

01:06:11: I need to definitely move my body around.

01:06:13: I did actually buy some some mountain skis this winter after watching some.

01:06:19: some touristy tv programs were like walking up with the skis and down again, a little bit like you're doing in Andorra but I haven't found time this winter to use it.

01:06:30: so i spent like three thousand euros to buy these skis without actually being out on the skies.

01:06:35: So that's definitely something i would like to do more of.

01:06:41: um what else?

01:06:43: I've been thinking about being like, would be nice to go into coaching the next generation and see if i can do a little bit what we did with the national team like fifteen years ago building up a squad.

01:06:58: And then going in towards a major race like the Olympics.

01:07:02: but that in one way feels great challenge.

01:07:05: it also feels just replicates of my previous life from different angles.

01:07:12: so maybe do something completely different.

01:07:16: Triathlete through and through, I love it!

01:07:18: Honestly you can't fault that... It's just uh i've really met somebody who is so passionate and committed to the craft And honestly genuinely wish all of best for reaching these goals.

01:07:30: Christian traditionally we close off The question when was last time your went mental?

01:07:36: I will almost say New Zealand That race out there.

01:07:46: Yeah, that was a tough mental battle on the run.

01:07:49: You know like I had so many people out there of course sharing with me and i was just in an extremely negative mental status you know?

01:08:00: Like...you know what?

01:08:01: The race is disappearing up front!

01:08:04: And yeah..that was a rough one.

01:08:09: Just let me die in pieces.

01:08:11: what I always used to tell people when you're having a shit day.

01:08:16: Awesome Christian.

01:08:17: Thank you so much for your time, I don't have you got two minutes for some quick fires or yeah All right cool all right these are questions that just came in like literally I Don't know.

01:08:28: couple of thousand question.

01:08:31: People obviously want to know Quickfire number one What hurts more getting dropped?

01:08:36: Getting beaten or underperforming on your own numbers.

01:08:41: Getting dropped?

01:08:42: Do triathletes overcomplicate everything?

01:08:45: Yes!

01:08:46: What's more dangerous in triathlon, ego or insecurity?

01:08:52: Ego.

01:08:54: I agree.

01:08:55: Insecurity actually helps our great triathlites made by pain tolerance and patience.

01:09:01: I

01:09:01: think by patient like the pain tolerance i would say is fairly same.

01:09:05: you can't pushed through a race by tolerating more pain.

01:09:09: Like, of course it's tough for everyone but is preparation more than anything else?

01:09:14: Okay What part of triathlon do people in the community still underestimate?

01:09:19: The most recovery fueling or mindset

01:09:22: fueling straight after sessions?

01:09:25: And what's the biggest myth in triathlon right now?

01:09:29: these are any myths.

01:09:30: I don't know if there isn't a myth.

01:09:32: hundred and one VO to max.

01:09:35: Sorry Actually,

01:09:38: I was actually scoring a little bit higher few weeks later.

01:09:43: But the thing is like again we're not competing in the lab so it's... Like i didn't win anything by having a high victimaxe.

01:09:50: It was more A very unefficient or like the gross efficiency Was poorly something that went down at like eighteen percent efficiency While normally at like twenty or twenty one percent.

01:10:02: So it's more about figuring out why the numbers were like they were and understanding why I'm typically having those numbers after a winter break.

01:10:12: It's fascinating, then i have one more quick one myself because you do wear a Garmin watch?

01:10:17: What is

01:10:19: your Vio True Max on your Garmin?

01:10:23: Let us see if we can find it... I am pretty sure that this is not good!

01:10:32: That's

01:10:34: a good question.

01:10:35: I think you just scroll down,

01:10:37: yeah?

01:10:37: I've seen it closer to like seventy five than eighty-five actually.

01:10:42: so its definitely underestimating or in which lab is overestimating depends who you trust.

01:10:50: Yeah i think either way It´s obvious that your a beast Beast of an athlete and all around awesome dude really appreciate everything for the triathlon sport because as fans great time to be there.

01:11:03: All the very best of luck.

01:11:04: Stay healthy.

01:11:05: and yeah, I would like to say don't do another twenty eight races leading into corner.

01:11:11: but maybe Christian if there is any ever anyone it's probably you.

01:11:15: thanks man.

01:11:16: i will listen.

01:11:16: i think he'll listen to your advice.

01:11:17: thank you for having me.